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ericadawn16) wrote2010-01-27 12:21 am
ericadawn16) wrote2010-01-27 12:21 am
Is Conan respresentative of America?
Does Conan represent America? Is this a good thing or a bad thing?
Being a fan of Conan, I never thought anything negative about him until this conversation with a friend from high school:
padawan erica (8:58:36 AM): hey
friend from high school (9:03:42 AM): heya
padawan erica (9:03:58 AM): anything new?
friend from high school (9:04:16 AM): not much. just getting settled back in to things. you?
padawan erica (9:09:43 AM): yeah, just got up, still a bit upset over Conan leaving
friend from high school (9:10:15 AM): seriously? why? the guy's a twat
padawan erica (9:11:20 AM): oh, interesting take, but I've watched him almost every week for twelve years and it'll be weird to have him gone
friend from high school (9:12:21 AM): yeah, but why i can understand being annoyed by the shift in time, but this whole situation demonstrates that he's nothing but a child
friend from high school (9:12:30 AM): seriously, its his own fault
padawan erica (9:15:21 AM): NBC could have thought of other ways of getting what they wanted, if it's true that Conan was getting offers from Fox six years ago, NBC could have let him go or NBC could have let Jay go or used him in other ways but they tried to have everything and you can't
friend from high school (9:18:12 AM): yes, but rather than approaching it from a professional manner, as any paid professional should, he acted like a total child throwing a temper tantrum and calling people names. If I were the exec at NBC, I would have fired him straight off. There's no call for that. Fuck him if he wants to be a self-obsessed childish twat. I'm glad that he lost his gig from all this. Perhaps this will demonstrate to the average American that being a child and throwing a temper tantrum will not get you what you want and that it will have an adverse effect
padawan erica (9:25:51 AM): well, that's your decision, I didn't get that impression at all
friend from high school (9:26:02 AM): how can you not?
friend from high school (9:26:22 AM): he literally acted like a screaming child in front of the entire nation on his show
friend from high school (9:26:26 AM): fair enough you like him
friend from high school (9:26:30 AM): that's your opinion
friend from high school (9:27:00 AM): however, his behavior in this instance is unacceptable for a professional at his *place of employment*
friend from high school (9:27:22 AM): if you acted like an ass to your boss, don't you think you'd get fired? why is he any different?
friend from high school (9:27:49 AM): and if you acted like an ass to your boss, don't you think your boss would be justified in firing you? why is he any different?
padawan erica (9:27:53 AM): There's a long history of making fun of NBC especially by SNL
friend from high school (9:28:07 AM): yes, but this was not just poking fun at the station
padawan erica (9:28:15 AM): and he wasn't fired, he quit
friend from high school (9:28:15 AM): this was far more
friend from high school (9:28:22 AM): i understand that
friend from high school (9:28:28 AM): i'm not saying he was fired
friend from high school (9:28:34 AM): i'm saying it would be justified if he did
friend from high school (9:28:42 AM): he got it light by only being told no
friend from high school (9:28:51 AM): if anyone were in any other profession
friend from high school (9:28:54 AM): PR for instance
friend from high school (9:28:59 AM): and performed in the same manner
friend from high school (9:29:06 AM): they'd be on the street in minutes
padawan erica (9:29:16 AM): well, they wanted to move him to 12:05, that's why he quit
friend from high school (9:29:19 AM): not just told "you're not getting what you want"
friend from high school (9:29:31 AM): what's your point?
friend from high school (9:29:38 AM): that still doesnt excuse his childish behavior
padawan erica (9:30:49 AM): I know he was told not to write the letter, but I thought it was awesome because it fully explained his reasoning so that everyone could understand it without it coming out as rumors
friend from high school (9:32:18 AM): ok, so then are you suggesting that it is a good thing to violate the direct orders of your boss? Furthermore, are you suggesting that this is good and acceptable behavior?
padawan erica (9:33:32 AM): sometimes, yes
padawan erica (9:33:57 AM): If a show is at 12:05, it is NOT Tonight, it is tomorrow
friend from high school (9:34:02 AM): then expect to get fired
friend from high school (9:34:12 AM): that's not how business works
friend from high school (9:34:18 AM): don't get me wrong
friend from high school (9:34:30 AM): i'm the idealistic type
friend from high school (9:34:39 AM): but i understand the business world
friend from high school (9:34:43 AM): and NBC
friend from high school (9:34:45 AM): is a business
friend from high school (9:34:58 AM): its not there only to entertain you
friend from high school (9:35:16 AM): its there to provide a service to you, by which it makes money
padawan erica (9:35:18 AM): well, he said for his fans not to be cynical, that if we work hard and we're kind, awesome things will happen
friend from high school (9:35:28 AM): after
friend from high school (9:35:32 AM): he acted like a child
friend from high school (9:35:33 AM): on air
friend from high school (9:35:50 AM): and guess what
friend from high school (9:35:56 AM): in negotiations
padawan erica (9:36:03 AM): by those standards, everyone did
friend from high school (9:36:16 AM): whether in business or just within the context of a social relationship
padawan erica (9:36:24 AM): even Leno complained about his show being canceled
friend from high school (9:36:27 AM): you don't always win the argument
padawan erica (9:36:32 AM): more than once on-air
friend from high school (9:37:09 AM): fair enough
friend from high school (9:37:16 AM): i'm not debating Leno's behavior
friend from high school (9:37:22 AM): that is a red herring
padawan erica (9:37:33 AM): because by what you said, then Leno should be fired?
friend from high school (9:37:59 AM): arguably, Leno did not violate the instructions of his boss
friend from high school (9:38:06 AM): and acted far less childish in the situation
friend from high school (9:38:09 AM): but again
friend from high school (9:38:23 AM): if he had acted in either way, i feel that consequences should be in order
friend from high school (9:40:18 AM): and again, i'm not debating Leno's behavior
friend from high school (9:40:29 AM): i'm not "pro-Leno" as it were
friend from high school (9:40:43 AM): i'm honestly not all that arsed about it all
friend from high school (9:41:04 AM): however, the issue i have is the childish behavior that runs rampant in American culture
friend from high school (9:41:27 AM): people acts as if they are entitled to whatever they want
friend from high school (9:41:36 AM): and that they should be given it just because they want it
friend from high school (9:41:40 AM): and when they dont
friend from high school (9:41:47 AM): rather than dealing with it in a mature manner
friend from high school (9:41:53 AM): they scream and yell and act like children
friend from high school (9:42:10 AM): go to any restaurant for one day and watch
friend from high school (9:42:17 AM): and you'll see exactly what i mean
padawan erica (9:42:25 AM): I worked in a restaurant, yes
friend from high school (9:42:37 AM): then you should know exactly the behavior about which i speak
friend from high school (9:42:47 AM): and these tendencies run rampant throughout our culture
friend from high school (9:43:07 AM): but if someone wants to do it in their professional career setting and doesn't get their way
friend from high school (9:43:08 AM): fuck em
padawan erica (9:43:49 AM): but not getting your chicken sandwich when you thought you should is not the same as suddenly changing a twenty year relationship
friend from high school (9:44:16 AM): twenty year relationships change on a daily basis
friend from high school (9:44:24 AM): and again
padawan erica (9:44:25 AM): no, they don't. lol
friend from high school (9:44:31 AM): um
friend from high school (9:44:36 AM): talk to any married couple
friend from high school (9:44:46 AM): go see the inner workings of any business
friend from high school (9:45:22 AM): having been around and involved in both of my parents' businesses, i know far more about contract negotiation and business than the average person
padawan erica (9:45:29 AM): he also struck a chord with the America who's being screwed over by big business as well
friend from high school (9:45:34 AM): having owned my own business, i understand these things as well
friend from high school (9:45:46 AM): its his own fault for acting like a child
friend from high school (9:46:02 AM): but one of my mother's clients
padawan erica (9:46:07 AM): I think we will have to disagree on acting like a child, too
friend from high school (9:46:10 AM): she has been working with for over 20 years
friend from high school (9:46:59 AM): if you don't see how his behavior was inappropriate for a professional in his career, than sadly we should end this conversation
friend from high school (9:47:15 AM): but as i was saying
friend from high school (9:47:29 AM): one of my mother's clients has been contracted with for over 20 years
friend from high school (9:47:31 AM): and still
friend from high school (9:47:35 AM): on a weekly basis
friend from high school (9:47:46 AM): she has to deal with semantic issues and problems
friend from high school (9:47:59 AM): she has to made corrections to the contract
friend from high school (9:47:59 AM): every year
friend from high school (9:48:07 AM): that's life
friend from high school (9:48:22 AM): you don't establish a relationship and have it go perfect and unchanged forever
friend from high school (9:48:29 AM): thats a hollywood fallacy
friend from high school (9:48:35 AM): all relationships
friend from high school (9:48:44 AM): whether business, personal, or romantic
friend from high school (9:48:54 AM): require constant negotiation
friend from high school (9:49:18 AM): thus is the crux of society and being a social species
padawan erica (9:50:02 AM): I haven't experienced that
friend from high school (9:50:15 AM): well then you may need to experience more of the world
friend from high school (9:50:19 AM): i'm an anthropologist
friend from high school (9:50:27 AM): all i do is study human cultural interaction
friend from high school (9:50:39 AM): and really
friend from high school (9:50:48 AM): no matter how technical it becomes
friend from high school (9:50:55 AM): and how into the nitty gritty i go
friend from high school (9:51:13 AM): it all comes down to the constant negotiation of social relationships
friend from high school (9:51:17 AM): but this about this
friend from high school (9:52:40 AM): when is the last time you wanted something from someone who was hesitant about giving it to you (for whatever reason) and you slighted them, did they give it to you?
Or alternately, substitute "you" with anyone who you've seen in this social situation
friend from high school (9:54:31 AM): you don't have to be an anthropologist to see these things. this is common sense really. if you slight someone you want something from, they'll likely not give it to you.
friend from high school (9:55:02 AM): that's exactly what happened here.
So do I feel sorry for Conan? Not the tiniest bit. He got exactly what he deserved given his actions
padawan erica (9:57:43 AM): (shrugs) that's how you feel
friend from high school (9:57:52 AM): thats the real world
padawan erica (9:58:16 AM): perhaps
friend from high school (9:58:35 AM): it is
friend from high school (9:58:37 AM): sorry to say
friend from high school (9:59:10 AM): and i'm not talking the American "oh welcome to the real world" capitalistic/republican bullshit
friend from high school (9:59:17 AM): i'm talking cross-culturally
friend from high school (10:00:01 AM): but if you think all of what i'm saying is bullshit, perhaps you need to spend some time looking at our culture and other cultures
padawan erica (10:01:57 AM): ok
friend from high school (10:04:36 AM): seriously, i'm not trying to be a dick or anything
friend from high school (10:04:47 AM): but this is how societies operate
friend from high school (10:04:55 AM): constant give and take
friend from high school (10:04:59 AM): constant negotiation
padawan erica (10:05:40 AM): based on your experience and education, I get that
friend from high school (10:06:20 AM): if you're going to be dismissive of something so basic to our shared culture and the world, don't even talk to me then
friend from high school (10:06:32 AM): thats the very basis for the "golden rule"
friend from high school (10:07:16 AM): sorry, you are probably right, I just haven't really experienced that for myself or if I did, I didn't really think about what it was
friend from high school (10:07:45 AM): and that's why i'm suggesting looking at the world and examining how things really work
padawan erica (10:08:06 AM): ok
padawan erica (10:08:57 AM): thank you
friend from high school (10:09:11 AM): no worries
friend from high school (10:12:40 AM): just remember, i'm not the type to bullshit people. some people don't like hearing what i have to say however, no matter how well-research my observations may be
padawan erica (10:12:52 AM): right
friend from high school (10:14:03 AM): but if there's one thing I can say for myself, it is that I am probably one of the most knowledgeable people most will ever meet about human interaction. In that, I'm an expert
padawan erica (10:15:01 AM): ok
friend from high school (10:21:59 AM): anyways, i need to run to the grocery store. Cheerio for now
padawan erica (10:22:09 AM): have fun
So now, I'm confused an afterwards, I felt like a toddler. Does anyone agree with this? Did Conan act childish? If so, can you point out when?
I suppose the remark about "You can do anything you set your mind to...unless Jay Leno wants to do it, too" could be immature name calling, but I can't see how anyone who's been in any job where you invested a great deal of time and effort wouldn't be enormously upset at leaving that job. I remember during the last week of the restaurant how our activity became us not doing whatever and then we'd say, "What are they going to do? Fire us?"
It's a very emotional time.
Also, am I the only who feels that there are acceptable circumstances where you SHOULD disrespect your boss or the rules?
For example, your boss wanted a project done, but you get slammed with customers...well, I'm not going to piss off the customers by doing a project instead. I'm going to take care of the customers. Still, that would technically be disrespecting the boss.
Do you agree that Conan acted like a toddler?
I have seen that behaviour where grown adults scream and yell over something not done in the way they wanted it, even if it was a simple mistake. However, I never equated it with Conan since he had a job and worked hard at that job.
This is how the Conan situation felt like to me. In situations, we are often encouraged to shut up and get the job done, but at the same time, they have trimmed employees and cut costs with less equipment or supplies while expecting more out of each employee. This often results in a crappier product output for the consumer and a moral quandary for the producer.
Do we continue to make a product we know is inferior to what we used to make or do we fight for the customer's right to have continued quality of product? Especially when said product has a long and respected tradition?
Obviously, Conan believed in his product and did not want it cheapened by showing it at a later time where it could harm other products...Jimmy's show. He said no to a corporation which is what we would all like to do, but we're too afraid of such a public statement.
Perhaps that is one reason for the atrocious behavior shown by some...that they build up stress in their own job and release it on others who can't fight back.
At the same time though, should we even be surprised that Americans would rather have things done the way they want?
After all, it is a nation made up of people, except those of African descent, who ran across problems in their homeland and thought, Fuck this, I'm going to a new continent/country where no one will be able to tell me what I can or cannot do/say/believe.
Does anyone else believe life is based on negotiations? Would you like to elaborate on that?
Because I'm not really familiar with that.
So, am I naive? Is the world how he says it is? Wouldn't that imply that the world is hopeless?
Please be honest. I know a lot of you are much more worldly than me.
I asked my mom who seemed to think that world was messed up and "that it doesn't look like it'll change anytime soon so why worry?"
Being a fan of Conan, I never thought anything negative about him until this conversation with a friend from high school:
padawan erica (8:58:36 AM): hey
friend from high school (9:03:42 AM): heya
padawan erica (9:03:58 AM): anything new?
friend from high school (9:04:16 AM): not much. just getting settled back in to things. you?
padawan erica (9:09:43 AM): yeah, just got up, still a bit upset over Conan leaving
friend from high school (9:10:15 AM): seriously? why? the guy's a twat
padawan erica (9:11:20 AM): oh, interesting take, but I've watched him almost every week for twelve years and it'll be weird to have him gone
friend from high school (9:12:21 AM): yeah, but why i can understand being annoyed by the shift in time, but this whole situation demonstrates that he's nothing but a child
friend from high school (9:12:30 AM): seriously, its his own fault
padawan erica (9:15:21 AM): NBC could have thought of other ways of getting what they wanted, if it's true that Conan was getting offers from Fox six years ago, NBC could have let him go or NBC could have let Jay go or used him in other ways but they tried to have everything and you can't
friend from high school (9:18:12 AM): yes, but rather than approaching it from a professional manner, as any paid professional should, he acted like a total child throwing a temper tantrum and calling people names. If I were the exec at NBC, I would have fired him straight off. There's no call for that. Fuck him if he wants to be a self-obsessed childish twat. I'm glad that he lost his gig from all this. Perhaps this will demonstrate to the average American that being a child and throwing a temper tantrum will not get you what you want and that it will have an adverse effect
padawan erica (9:25:51 AM): well, that's your decision, I didn't get that impression at all
friend from high school (9:26:02 AM): how can you not?
friend from high school (9:26:22 AM): he literally acted like a screaming child in front of the entire nation on his show
friend from high school (9:26:26 AM): fair enough you like him
friend from high school (9:26:30 AM): that's your opinion
friend from high school (9:27:00 AM): however, his behavior in this instance is unacceptable for a professional at his *place of employment*
friend from high school (9:27:22 AM): if you acted like an ass to your boss, don't you think you'd get fired? why is he any different?
friend from high school (9:27:49 AM): and if you acted like an ass to your boss, don't you think your boss would be justified in firing you? why is he any different?
padawan erica (9:27:53 AM): There's a long history of making fun of NBC especially by SNL
friend from high school (9:28:07 AM): yes, but this was not just poking fun at the station
padawan erica (9:28:15 AM): and he wasn't fired, he quit
friend from high school (9:28:15 AM): this was far more
friend from high school (9:28:22 AM): i understand that
friend from high school (9:28:28 AM): i'm not saying he was fired
friend from high school (9:28:34 AM): i'm saying it would be justified if he did
friend from high school (9:28:42 AM): he got it light by only being told no
friend from high school (9:28:51 AM): if anyone were in any other profession
friend from high school (9:28:54 AM): PR for instance
friend from high school (9:28:59 AM): and performed in the same manner
friend from high school (9:29:06 AM): they'd be on the street in minutes
padawan erica (9:29:16 AM): well, they wanted to move him to 12:05, that's why he quit
friend from high school (9:29:19 AM): not just told "you're not getting what you want"
friend from high school (9:29:31 AM): what's your point?
friend from high school (9:29:38 AM): that still doesnt excuse his childish behavior
padawan erica (9:30:49 AM): I know he was told not to write the letter, but I thought it was awesome because it fully explained his reasoning so that everyone could understand it without it coming out as rumors
friend from high school (9:32:18 AM): ok, so then are you suggesting that it is a good thing to violate the direct orders of your boss? Furthermore, are you suggesting that this is good and acceptable behavior?
padawan erica (9:33:32 AM): sometimes, yes
padawan erica (9:33:57 AM): If a show is at 12:05, it is NOT Tonight, it is tomorrow
friend from high school (9:34:02 AM): then expect to get fired
friend from high school (9:34:12 AM): that's not how business works
friend from high school (9:34:18 AM): don't get me wrong
friend from high school (9:34:30 AM): i'm the idealistic type
friend from high school (9:34:39 AM): but i understand the business world
friend from high school (9:34:43 AM): and NBC
friend from high school (9:34:45 AM): is a business
friend from high school (9:34:58 AM): its not there only to entertain you
friend from high school (9:35:16 AM): its there to provide a service to you, by which it makes money
padawan erica (9:35:18 AM): well, he said for his fans not to be cynical, that if we work hard and we're kind, awesome things will happen
friend from high school (9:35:28 AM): after
friend from high school (9:35:32 AM): he acted like a child
friend from high school (9:35:33 AM): on air
friend from high school (9:35:50 AM): and guess what
friend from high school (9:35:56 AM): in negotiations
padawan erica (9:36:03 AM): by those standards, everyone did
friend from high school (9:36:16 AM): whether in business or just within the context of a social relationship
padawan erica (9:36:24 AM): even Leno complained about his show being canceled
friend from high school (9:36:27 AM): you don't always win the argument
padawan erica (9:36:32 AM): more than once on-air
friend from high school (9:37:09 AM): fair enough
friend from high school (9:37:16 AM): i'm not debating Leno's behavior
friend from high school (9:37:22 AM): that is a red herring
padawan erica (9:37:33 AM): because by what you said, then Leno should be fired?
friend from high school (9:37:59 AM): arguably, Leno did not violate the instructions of his boss
friend from high school (9:38:06 AM): and acted far less childish in the situation
friend from high school (9:38:09 AM): but again
friend from high school (9:38:23 AM): if he had acted in either way, i feel that consequences should be in order
friend from high school (9:40:18 AM): and again, i'm not debating Leno's behavior
friend from high school (9:40:29 AM): i'm not "pro-Leno" as it were
friend from high school (9:40:43 AM): i'm honestly not all that arsed about it all
friend from high school (9:41:04 AM): however, the issue i have is the childish behavior that runs rampant in American culture
friend from high school (9:41:27 AM): people acts as if they are entitled to whatever they want
friend from high school (9:41:36 AM): and that they should be given it just because they want it
friend from high school (9:41:40 AM): and when they dont
friend from high school (9:41:47 AM): rather than dealing with it in a mature manner
friend from high school (9:41:53 AM): they scream and yell and act like children
friend from high school (9:42:10 AM): go to any restaurant for one day and watch
friend from high school (9:42:17 AM): and you'll see exactly what i mean
padawan erica (9:42:25 AM): I worked in a restaurant, yes
friend from high school (9:42:37 AM): then you should know exactly the behavior about which i speak
friend from high school (9:42:47 AM): and these tendencies run rampant throughout our culture
friend from high school (9:43:07 AM): but if someone wants to do it in their professional career setting and doesn't get their way
friend from high school (9:43:08 AM): fuck em
padawan erica (9:43:49 AM): but not getting your chicken sandwich when you thought you should is not the same as suddenly changing a twenty year relationship
friend from high school (9:44:16 AM): twenty year relationships change on a daily basis
friend from high school (9:44:24 AM): and again
padawan erica (9:44:25 AM): no, they don't. lol
friend from high school (9:44:31 AM): um
friend from high school (9:44:36 AM): talk to any married couple
friend from high school (9:44:46 AM): go see the inner workings of any business
friend from high school (9:45:22 AM): having been around and involved in both of my parents' businesses, i know far more about contract negotiation and business than the average person
padawan erica (9:45:29 AM): he also struck a chord with the America who's being screwed over by big business as well
friend from high school (9:45:34 AM): having owned my own business, i understand these things as well
friend from high school (9:45:46 AM): its his own fault for acting like a child
friend from high school (9:46:02 AM): but one of my mother's clients
padawan erica (9:46:07 AM): I think we will have to disagree on acting like a child, too
friend from high school (9:46:10 AM): she has been working with for over 20 years
friend from high school (9:46:59 AM): if you don't see how his behavior was inappropriate for a professional in his career, than sadly we should end this conversation
friend from high school (9:47:15 AM): but as i was saying
friend from high school (9:47:29 AM): one of my mother's clients has been contracted with for over 20 years
friend from high school (9:47:31 AM): and still
friend from high school (9:47:35 AM): on a weekly basis
friend from high school (9:47:46 AM): she has to deal with semantic issues and problems
friend from high school (9:47:59 AM): she has to made corrections to the contract
friend from high school (9:47:59 AM): every year
friend from high school (9:48:07 AM): that's life
friend from high school (9:48:22 AM): you don't establish a relationship and have it go perfect and unchanged forever
friend from high school (9:48:29 AM): thats a hollywood fallacy
friend from high school (9:48:35 AM): all relationships
friend from high school (9:48:44 AM): whether business, personal, or romantic
friend from high school (9:48:54 AM): require constant negotiation
friend from high school (9:49:18 AM): thus is the crux of society and being a social species
padawan erica (9:50:02 AM): I haven't experienced that
friend from high school (9:50:15 AM): well then you may need to experience more of the world
friend from high school (9:50:19 AM): i'm an anthropologist
friend from high school (9:50:27 AM): all i do is study human cultural interaction
friend from high school (9:50:39 AM): and really
friend from high school (9:50:48 AM): no matter how technical it becomes
friend from high school (9:50:55 AM): and how into the nitty gritty i go
friend from high school (9:51:13 AM): it all comes down to the constant negotiation of social relationships
friend from high school (9:51:17 AM): but this about this
friend from high school (9:52:40 AM): when is the last time you wanted something from someone who was hesitant about giving it to you (for whatever reason) and you slighted them, did they give it to you?
Or alternately, substitute "you" with anyone who you've seen in this social situation
friend from high school (9:54:31 AM): you don't have to be an anthropologist to see these things. this is common sense really. if you slight someone you want something from, they'll likely not give it to you.
friend from high school (9:55:02 AM): that's exactly what happened here.
So do I feel sorry for Conan? Not the tiniest bit. He got exactly what he deserved given his actions
padawan erica (9:57:43 AM): (shrugs) that's how you feel
friend from high school (9:57:52 AM): thats the real world
padawan erica (9:58:16 AM): perhaps
friend from high school (9:58:35 AM): it is
friend from high school (9:58:37 AM): sorry to say
friend from high school (9:59:10 AM): and i'm not talking the American "oh welcome to the real world" capitalistic/republican bullshit
friend from high school (9:59:17 AM): i'm talking cross-culturally
friend from high school (10:00:01 AM): but if you think all of what i'm saying is bullshit, perhaps you need to spend some time looking at our culture and other cultures
padawan erica (10:01:57 AM): ok
friend from high school (10:04:36 AM): seriously, i'm not trying to be a dick or anything
friend from high school (10:04:47 AM): but this is how societies operate
friend from high school (10:04:55 AM): constant give and take
friend from high school (10:04:59 AM): constant negotiation
padawan erica (10:05:40 AM): based on your experience and education, I get that
friend from high school (10:06:20 AM): if you're going to be dismissive of something so basic to our shared culture and the world, don't even talk to me then
friend from high school (10:06:32 AM): thats the very basis for the "golden rule"
friend from high school (10:07:16 AM): sorry, you are probably right, I just haven't really experienced that for myself or if I did, I didn't really think about what it was
friend from high school (10:07:45 AM): and that's why i'm suggesting looking at the world and examining how things really work
padawan erica (10:08:06 AM): ok
padawan erica (10:08:57 AM): thank you
friend from high school (10:09:11 AM): no worries
friend from high school (10:12:40 AM): just remember, i'm not the type to bullshit people. some people don't like hearing what i have to say however, no matter how well-research my observations may be
padawan erica (10:12:52 AM): right
friend from high school (10:14:03 AM): but if there's one thing I can say for myself, it is that I am probably one of the most knowledgeable people most will ever meet about human interaction. In that, I'm an expert
padawan erica (10:15:01 AM): ok
friend from high school (10:21:59 AM): anyways, i need to run to the grocery store. Cheerio for now
padawan erica (10:22:09 AM): have fun
So now, I'm confused an afterwards, I felt like a toddler. Does anyone agree with this? Did Conan act childish? If so, can you point out when?
I suppose the remark about "You can do anything you set your mind to...unless Jay Leno wants to do it, too" could be immature name calling, but I can't see how anyone who's been in any job where you invested a great deal of time and effort wouldn't be enormously upset at leaving that job. I remember during the last week of the restaurant how our activity became us not doing whatever and then we'd say, "What are they going to do? Fire us?"
It's a very emotional time.
Also, am I the only who feels that there are acceptable circumstances where you SHOULD disrespect your boss or the rules?
For example, your boss wanted a project done, but you get slammed with customers...well, I'm not going to piss off the customers by doing a project instead. I'm going to take care of the customers. Still, that would technically be disrespecting the boss.
Do you agree that Conan acted like a toddler?
I have seen that behaviour where grown adults scream and yell over something not done in the way they wanted it, even if it was a simple mistake. However, I never equated it with Conan since he had a job and worked hard at that job.
This is how the Conan situation felt like to me. In situations, we are often encouraged to shut up and get the job done, but at the same time, they have trimmed employees and cut costs with less equipment or supplies while expecting more out of each employee. This often results in a crappier product output for the consumer and a moral quandary for the producer.
Do we continue to make a product we know is inferior to what we used to make or do we fight for the customer's right to have continued quality of product? Especially when said product has a long and respected tradition?
Obviously, Conan believed in his product and did not want it cheapened by showing it at a later time where it could harm other products...Jimmy's show. He said no to a corporation which is what we would all like to do, but we're too afraid of such a public statement.
Perhaps that is one reason for the atrocious behavior shown by some...that they build up stress in their own job and release it on others who can't fight back.
At the same time though, should we even be surprised that Americans would rather have things done the way they want?
After all, it is a nation made up of people, except those of African descent, who ran across problems in their homeland and thought, Fuck this, I'm going to a new continent/country where no one will be able to tell me what I can or cannot do/say/believe.
Does anyone else believe life is based on negotiations? Would you like to elaborate on that?
Because I'm not really familiar with that.
So, am I naive? Is the world how he says it is? Wouldn't that imply that the world is hopeless?
Please be honest. I know a lot of you are much more worldly than me.
I asked my mom who seemed to think that world was messed up and "that it doesn't look like it'll change anytime soon so why worry?"