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ericadawn16) wrote2012-07-05 11:43 pm
ericadawn16) wrote2012-07-05 11:43 pm
Avengers Again
Avengers again...Gee, it's good to see Avengers again...
Okay, I'm a bit behind with my posts...like a week.
Last Thursday, the nephews were away at Bible camp so we were going to use that time to see a movie. I had wanted to see Seeking a Friend for the End of the World but it didn't come locally. My mom was willing to drive but wasn't she wanted to see the film. After a discussion of whether Loki killed eyeball guy or simply maimed him and how funny the cane tripping is, she informed me that the only film that interested her was seeing The Avengers.
Me: Well, I did see it that time without you...
Mom: Or you could come with me...
Gah, I can't argue with that logic. Also, considering how it had left our local theatre, there were three films coming out last Friday and The Amazing Spider-Man on Tuesday, we were worried that this would be our last chance before it hit Parkway and the second tier theatres.
I'm not sure anyone cares but the Brandon AMC totally updated: seats more like Cobb and a soda machine with 75% of what you want, including Vanilla Cherry Coke. Alas, still no watermelon Coke...
This was also the first time I had seen the film on actual film. The other four times had been digital. While film isn't as pristine and crisp as digital, it does feel more alive, more unique. Each print is subject to its own special imperfections. However, you do sacrifice a few frames here and there depending on how fast the reel is changed.
When AMC renovated, they did add a bar to the audience. I always prefer the bar for my feet. I am both a bad sitter who can't stay still and not always tall enough to sit comfortably in some seats anyway. It's very annoying when you have to sit at the edge of a seat so your feet will rest on the floor. Anyway, the bar is closer than most theatre auditoriums which resulted in what felt like watching it on a larger screen. This is probably the closest we'll get to Imax. I was holding out for MOSI but they don't appear to show Hollywood films anymore. It's a pity, Avengers on a Dome Screen would have been AWESOME.
We both really liked how much detail we could see though, like I noticed that the Hulk actually has green blood. Some of it was dried from his nose after the Chitauri kicked the crap out of him.
Do I still need to warn for spoilers?
Is that a Vermeer that the smugglers have in the warehouse? It definitely looks Dutch but we only see it for a few seconds. Still, if it's Vermeer, then I love the reference to Scarlett Johansson's previous work. It wasn't her best role but it had Colin Firth and I will basically see anything involving Colin Firth...
Everyone talks about how Loki sits with his legs spread open and all but Natasha isn't exactly crossing her legs either...
The other possible actor reference is P62 where Phil dies. Clark Gregg was born in 1962. I've heard 64 comes from the original aircraft carrier that it was based on but I kept expecting a 63. It seemed like the obvious injoke/reference. The very first Avengers comic was published in 1963, just a couple of months before the first episode of Doctor Who. I keep thinking there was a reference to a previous Mark Ruffalo film but I can't remember...
I've changed my mind about Hawkeye.
I think he did start off on the other side like Natasha. Clint is easily able to get workers for Loki. Selvig even asks about it and Clint just describes it as Shield has a lot of enemies. However, even with enemies like that, why would they believe a SHIELD agent had turned that quickly and wasn't setting them up for a fall?
They wouldn't...unless that agent had used to be like them...
Loki also makes a point of saying, "You have heart." In the comics, Barton never really enjoyed his criminal activities like Natasha did. His heart wasn't in it.
I was also struck by the thought that Loki deliberately tried to kill Phil. Tony says as much by saying how "He made it personal" but Loki doesn't usually like to get his hands dirty like that. He kills the other SHIELD agents with his little daggers or scepter from a distance, has his minions take out others or sets Thor up for an elaborate falling death.
So, how much did he know about Phil from Selvig and Clint? It seems to be a lot. Loki does seem to care what Phil thinks of him even as he could be making his escape. It's basically a reverse of the later scene with Tony. Loki attempts to murder Phil before being told why he'll fail whereas Tony tells Loki first and THEN gets thrown out the window.
Yes, I am still having firsts! I finally saw the spit on the glass wall and I finally recognized Alexis Denisof's voice. His physical appearance is still...hard to reconcile.
Okay, Loki killed 80 people in two days. We believe this because Natasha said it so it must be true but HOW?
That first room had maybe 10-20 fatalities? A few more after that, including the cave-in, but Phil was told to clear the facility and he doesn't take his orders lightly. We saw how he sacrificed equipment in order to get everyone out.
Hawkeye shot maybe 3-10 people in order to get the Iridium. Even if cane tripped guy and eyeball man were both killed, that still only accounts for...
33 at the most? that's certainly not 80 and this is before the Helicarrier incident so...
What aren't they telling us? Where's this random, impressive sounding number coming from? What else happened?
Also, when watching for the fifth time, you can pay more attention to things like...how Phil's suit doesn't quite hide the fairly impressive guns he shows off in The New Adventures of Old Christine or his legs or how fit he is in general. Seriously, compare him with Selvig. I know Stellan is 61 and all but still...Clark Gregg totally doesn't have the body of a 50 year old...
I still wish we had gotten a little more ass-kicking like "A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to Thor's Hammer" but...
(shrugs)
I was hoping the next short would also somehow be Coulson related but no luck...
Iron Man 3 better either have Phil or references or I'll be pissed even with Maria Hill being there...
I still want to know about that third person that Loki possessed and then falls off the face of the Earth? Is he killed and I don't realize it?
Oh my gosh, THE CROWS! The crows have always bugged me. Whedon makes a point of having crows fly around Thor and Loki on the mountain. Obviously, they're Odin's Ravens but it felt deeper than that. It wasn't just a Disney villain moment...this was something more; something that I had read and forgotten. Then, Whedon has Tony mention "Shakespeare in the Park".
YES, SHAKESPEARE!
Let's see what the Bard has to say... Neither Loki or Thor die so the Duncan reference is out.
“Light thickens, and the crow/ Makes wing to the rooky wood”
Well, that is literally what is happening. It's night and they're flying home.
However, there is a sonnet...
Sonnet LXX
"That thou art blamed shall not be thy defect,
For slander's mark was ever yet the fair;
The ornament of beauty is suspect,
A crow that flies in heaven's sweetest air.
So thou be good, slander doth but approve
Thy worth the greater, being wooed of time;
For canker vice the sweetest buds doth love,
And thou present'st a pure unstained prime.
Thou hast passed by the ambush of young days
Either not assailed, or victor being charged;
Yet this thy praise cannot be so thy praise,
To tie up envy, evermore enlarged,
If some suspect of ill masked not thy show,
Then thou alone kingdoms of hearts shouldst owe."
It basically boils down to "If some stain, whether justified or not, were not attached to you, then you would reign in love over multitudes of people."
http://www.shakespeares-sonnets.com/sonnet/70
Thor's trying to implore Loki about how to be a better ruler/brother/person and even mentions "imagined slights". We know that they aren't so imagined but Thor is good and naive that way...like everyone assumes Steve to be until they get to know him.
I still don't understand how the Tesseract got to Earth in the first place. Was it like an older Loki making sure that Odin would send it to Norway just so Red Skull would find it and the time-line would be preserved?
For the record, The Avengers is now tied with The Sorcerer's Apprentice for seeing it five times in the theatre. My record is still seeing Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest seven times.
P.S. With this viewing, I also started shipping Natasha with Steve.
Okay, I'm a bit behind with my posts...like a week.
Last Thursday, the nephews were away at Bible camp so we were going to use that time to see a movie. I had wanted to see Seeking a Friend for the End of the World but it didn't come locally. My mom was willing to drive but wasn't she wanted to see the film. After a discussion of whether Loki killed eyeball guy or simply maimed him and how funny the cane tripping is, she informed me that the only film that interested her was seeing The Avengers.
Me: Well, I did see it that time without you...
Mom: Or you could come with me...
Gah, I can't argue with that logic. Also, considering how it had left our local theatre, there were three films coming out last Friday and The Amazing Spider-Man on Tuesday, we were worried that this would be our last chance before it hit Parkway and the second tier theatres.
I'm not sure anyone cares but the Brandon AMC totally updated: seats more like Cobb and a soda machine with 75% of what you want, including Vanilla Cherry Coke. Alas, still no watermelon Coke...
This was also the first time I had seen the film on actual film. The other four times had been digital. While film isn't as pristine and crisp as digital, it does feel more alive, more unique. Each print is subject to its own special imperfections. However, you do sacrifice a few frames here and there depending on how fast the reel is changed.
When AMC renovated, they did add a bar to the audience. I always prefer the bar for my feet. I am both a bad sitter who can't stay still and not always tall enough to sit comfortably in some seats anyway. It's very annoying when you have to sit at the edge of a seat so your feet will rest on the floor. Anyway, the bar is closer than most theatre auditoriums which resulted in what felt like watching it on a larger screen. This is probably the closest we'll get to Imax. I was holding out for MOSI but they don't appear to show Hollywood films anymore. It's a pity, Avengers on a Dome Screen would have been AWESOME.
We both really liked how much detail we could see though, like I noticed that the Hulk actually has green blood. Some of it was dried from his nose after the Chitauri kicked the crap out of him.
Do I still need to warn for spoilers?
Is that a Vermeer that the smugglers have in the warehouse? It definitely looks Dutch but we only see it for a few seconds. Still, if it's Vermeer, then I love the reference to Scarlett Johansson's previous work. It wasn't her best role but it had Colin Firth and I will basically see anything involving Colin Firth...
Everyone talks about how Loki sits with his legs spread open and all but Natasha isn't exactly crossing her legs either...
The other possible actor reference is P62 where Phil dies. Clark Gregg was born in 1962. I've heard 64 comes from the original aircraft carrier that it was based on but I kept expecting a 63. It seemed like the obvious injoke/reference. The very first Avengers comic was published in 1963, just a couple of months before the first episode of Doctor Who. I keep thinking there was a reference to a previous Mark Ruffalo film but I can't remember...
I've changed my mind about Hawkeye.
I think he did start off on the other side like Natasha. Clint is easily able to get workers for Loki. Selvig even asks about it and Clint just describes it as Shield has a lot of enemies. However, even with enemies like that, why would they believe a SHIELD agent had turned that quickly and wasn't setting them up for a fall?
They wouldn't...unless that agent had used to be like them...
Loki also makes a point of saying, "You have heart." In the comics, Barton never really enjoyed his criminal activities like Natasha did. His heart wasn't in it.
I was also struck by the thought that Loki deliberately tried to kill Phil. Tony says as much by saying how "He made it personal" but Loki doesn't usually like to get his hands dirty like that. He kills the other SHIELD agents with his little daggers or scepter from a distance, has his minions take out others or sets Thor up for an elaborate falling death.
So, how much did he know about Phil from Selvig and Clint? It seems to be a lot. Loki does seem to care what Phil thinks of him even as he could be making his escape. It's basically a reverse of the later scene with Tony. Loki attempts to murder Phil before being told why he'll fail whereas Tony tells Loki first and THEN gets thrown out the window.
Yes, I am still having firsts! I finally saw the spit on the glass wall and I finally recognized Alexis Denisof's voice. His physical appearance is still...hard to reconcile.
Okay, Loki killed 80 people in two days. We believe this because Natasha said it so it must be true but HOW?
That first room had maybe 10-20 fatalities? A few more after that, including the cave-in, but Phil was told to clear the facility and he doesn't take his orders lightly. We saw how he sacrificed equipment in order to get everyone out.
Hawkeye shot maybe 3-10 people in order to get the Iridium. Even if cane tripped guy and eyeball man were both killed, that still only accounts for...
33 at the most? that's certainly not 80 and this is before the Helicarrier incident so...
What aren't they telling us? Where's this random, impressive sounding number coming from? What else happened?
Also, when watching for the fifth time, you can pay more attention to things like...how Phil's suit doesn't quite hide the fairly impressive guns he shows off in The New Adventures of Old Christine or his legs or how fit he is in general. Seriously, compare him with Selvig. I know Stellan is 61 and all but still...Clark Gregg totally doesn't have the body of a 50 year old...
I still wish we had gotten a little more ass-kicking like "A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to Thor's Hammer" but...
(shrugs)
I was hoping the next short would also somehow be Coulson related but no luck...
Iron Man 3 better either have Phil or references or I'll be pissed even with Maria Hill being there...
I still want to know about that third person that Loki possessed and then falls off the face of the Earth? Is he killed and I don't realize it?
Oh my gosh, THE CROWS! The crows have always bugged me. Whedon makes a point of having crows fly around Thor and Loki on the mountain. Obviously, they're Odin's Ravens but it felt deeper than that. It wasn't just a Disney villain moment...this was something more; something that I had read and forgotten. Then, Whedon has Tony mention "Shakespeare in the Park".
YES, SHAKESPEARE!
Let's see what the Bard has to say... Neither Loki or Thor die so the Duncan reference is out.
“Light thickens, and the crow/ Makes wing to the rooky wood”
Well, that is literally what is happening. It's night and they're flying home.
However, there is a sonnet...
Sonnet LXX
"That thou art blamed shall not be thy defect,
For slander's mark was ever yet the fair;
The ornament of beauty is suspect,
A crow that flies in heaven's sweetest air.
So thou be good, slander doth but approve
Thy worth the greater, being wooed of time;
For canker vice the sweetest buds doth love,
And thou present'st a pure unstained prime.
Thou hast passed by the ambush of young days
Either not assailed, or victor being charged;
Yet this thy praise cannot be so thy praise,
To tie up envy, evermore enlarged,
If some suspect of ill masked not thy show,
Then thou alone kingdoms of hearts shouldst owe."
It basically boils down to "If some stain, whether justified or not, were not attached to you, then you would reign in love over multitudes of people."
http://www.shakespeares-sonnets.com/sonnet/70
Thor's trying to implore Loki about how to be a better ruler/brother/person and even mentions "imagined slights". We know that they aren't so imagined but Thor is good and naive that way...like everyone assumes Steve to be until they get to know him.
I still don't understand how the Tesseract got to Earth in the first place. Was it like an older Loki making sure that Odin would send it to Norway just so Red Skull would find it and the time-line would be preserved?
For the record, The Avengers is now tied with The Sorcerer's Apprentice for seeing it five times in the theatre. My record is still seeing Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest seven times.
P.S. With this viewing, I also started shipping Natasha with Steve.
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I still want to know about that third person that Loki possessed and then falls off the face of the Earth? Is he killed and I don't realize it?
Also, did he have a name? This may or may not have do with a fic I'm currently writing....
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I tried really hard to read his badge but I couldn't and he doesn't seem to be listed in the credits...
I'm sorry.
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He dies.
We watched it again today.
The third guy gets into the sedan behind the truck with Loki, Hawkeye and Selvig. When Maria starts following them and getting too close, Loki strikes the sedan with his cosmic spear to get it to crash and cause a pile-up in the tunnel.
This is why we never hear about him again.
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Maybe it's like the Crazy 88 - there weren't actually 88 of them, but it sounded cool?
Also, Loki is jealous of Coulson's crush on Steve. That's why it was personal. (Why yes, I do ship Steve/Loki! However did you guess?)
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I've never actually seen Steve/Loki yet...
I also like the idea proposed by the music video "Like a Boss" where Coulson both thought that Loki was pathetic and had been his phone sex operator...
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The wonderful thing about Joss's scripts is always how you can keep uncovering more the more times you watch something.
My record for seeing something in the theatre: I saw Fellowhship of the Ring over 30 times.
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Yes, I know it's unfair to compare other writer's to Joss but dammit, they could at least try!
*thinks of Spider-Man in particular*
HOW were you able to see it 30 times?
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Ooh, that's interesting! Why? :)
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He seemed to respect her whereas Tony seems to always be on his guard about what she could be up to and Loki didn't until she had beat him. Clint also respected her but we had so few scenes between them whereas it felt like we had more interaction between Natasha and Steve. I liked their chemistry especially in the scene where he gives her a boost to get on the alien's vehicle.
Before it was just kind of...no, she's either with Bucky or Clint or a threesome of her, Clint and Phil but the last two times it was kind of like...hmm
There is a direct to DVD movie where she and Steve have a kid.
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They sell watermelon coke?
Both Natasha and Loki feel they are in control of the situation, that would explain the open posture on both their parts.
I agree on the points about Clint. I just think Natasha is more open about once being on the opposite side of SHEILD. He has yet to come to terms fully with his former life.
My only thought is that Loki must have set off an explosion or collapsed a roof to get the death count that high. Searching for something and then just destroying as he went.
That is a lovely poem for Loki. If he could get past his past and many of the issues with his species he could be a much better ruler.
I think the Tesseract got stolen when Loki ruled over Asgard. He might have hidden it in one of the pocket dimensions and then it ended up in Earth when he got lost in space.
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Ooh, I just read that Sonic will add watermelon flavoring to your coke! YAY! I'll have to try that soon.
He has yet to come to terms fully with his former life.
We need a movie!
I did notice how Maria referred to her men under the rubble but we weren't given the impression that it was THAT many. I just hate being told information without being shown or given an explanation especially from Joss...it feels like there was more to it that got cut.