Referring to Steven, I'm guessing? And the last scene between Gwen and Jack? If so, then although I'm not crying, I'm sad about both, too :(. I can't think why Steven's death didn't bring me to tears except that the way he went was so horrific to watch. The same thing happened to Clem, yes, but something about it happening to a child made it even worse! **Shudder** And poor Alice =(! She went to bat for Jack, and then that happens! I know he technically had no choice, but still :(!
The scene between Jack and Gwen was upsetting too. Jack now has nothing, and he has to live, for eternity, with the guilt over sending his grandson to his death, and indirectly causing the demise of his lover :C. Not cool, RTD, not cool at all :[!
The one part that did make me cry, though, was that whole sequence with Frobisher as he's getting ready to kill his family and himself. I didn't think it would affect me, because for most of COE, I didn't like him one bit. When it comes down to it, though, all he was doing was following the orders of his superiors. Had Frobisher lived, it wouldn't have been the cold-hearted bastard that was PM who'd take the fall, but him. As the PM himself said in "Day 3", "That's what being on the frontline means- You're the first to fall." (or something of that nature). From the start of the scene where Spears is telling Lois that Frobisher is/was a good man to when we hear the four gunshots behind the bedroom door, I was in tears :(.
It wasn't so much Steven's death as watching Jack watching Steven's death, his daughter avoiding him and then that last scene where he's in tears with Gwen.
Gosh, he's just so fucking broken at that point and to see that six months of living makes no difference at all in that fact... Heartbreaking.
I was sad about Frobisher, but I wish I could have cared more about Clem. He irritated me and I hated that he irritated me, but he did especially when they were doing his death scene and I wanted the story to go back to Ianto and Jack.
I will write back to your emails, but I was very busy last weekend and then the past week or so, I've also been writing my CoE reaction/fix-it fic. I hope to have it done and posted within the next month...like all my stories, it's becoming longer than intended.
It wasn't so much Steven's death as watching Jack watching Steven's death, his daughter avoiding him and then that last scene where he's in tears with Gwen.
About the reaction shots of Jack as he's watching Steven die- Yeah, that was hard :(. It's no wonder all he wanted to do was run, and he needed to get away for six months to think about things. Who wouldn't after doing that to their own flesh and blood while the child's parent was watching? Regarding the scene with Gwen and Jack: do you mean the one at the end of this episode, or the one at the end of "Day 4"? If you mean the former, yeah, it made me sad that he was so broken he couldn't even bear to stay on Earth =(. If you mean the latter, like I said in my comment on your post about "Day 4", I recovered a bit after Jack & Ianto's goodbye scene, but started crying again when they were in each other's arms, mourning over Ianto's body.
Gosh, he's just so fucking broken at that point and to see that six months of living makes no difference at all in that fact... Heartbreaking.
Yeah, I noticed a difference in him from the start of this episode. The Jack we know would never have agreed so completely when someone said the planet was doomed, but with the loss of Ianto, he just gave up. He perked up a little when he realized that Alice, in spite of her deep distrust of him, still has, I guess you could say, faith that whatever threat to the Earth arises, he can always conquer it. Unfortunately, he has to do a terrible thing in order to eliminate this particular threat, and she's horrified, and will probably never speak to him again. Jack suspects that, and as a result, loses the one thing that has even a slight chance of convincing him to remain on Earth, even without Ianto at his side. That breaks him completely, possibly beyond repair. For me, that was absolutely the wrong way to make his character evolve. It wasn't an evolution at all, it just reverted him back to the man he was when the series started. The only change that occurred was he'll be ten times more dark and brooding.
I was sad about Frobisher, but I wish I could have cared more about Clem. He irritated me and I hated that he irritated me, but he did especially when they were doing his death scene
Really? His habit of repeating certain words and "smelling out" the truth was pretty odd, but I still felt bad for him. Still, his death didn't make me sad, like say, Ianto's or Frobisher's did. It was actually a relief to me when Clem died, because his life, from 1965 on, was just miserable. Dying was a release from that.
Don't worry about it 8). I understand completely. :) I'm working on my own fix-it/denial one shots for COE, too, so I may be MIA for awhile as well. Catch you later, and good luck with the writing 8)!
I don't know. Rusty said he could start right now, I want to see the DW Christmas special right now because Jack's in it and the last the DW viewers saw of Jack, he had a boyfriend Jack appeared to be faithful to but it'll be hard to reconcile the Jack at the end of Day Five with the happy Jack we usually see in Who.
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Date: 2009-07-25 03:06 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-07-25 08:39 am (UTC)The scene between Jack and Gwen was upsetting too. Jack now has nothing, and he has to live, for eternity, with the guilt over sending his grandson to his death, and indirectly causing the demise of his lover :C. Not cool, RTD, not cool at all :[!
The one part that did make me cry, though, was that whole sequence with Frobisher as he's getting ready to kill his family and himself. I didn't think it would affect me, because for most of COE, I didn't like him one bit. When it comes down to it, though, all he was doing was following the orders of his superiors. Had Frobisher lived, it wouldn't have been the cold-hearted bastard that was PM who'd take the fall, but him. As the PM himself said in "Day 3", "That's what being on the frontline means- You're the first to fall." (or something of that nature). From the start of the scene where Spears is telling Lois that Frobisher is/was a good man to when we hear the four gunshots behind the bedroom door, I was in tears :(.
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Date: 2009-07-25 01:03 pm (UTC)Gosh, he's just so fucking broken at that point and to see that six months of living makes no difference at all in that fact...
Heartbreaking.
I was sad about Frobisher, but I wish I could have cared more about Clem. He irritated me and I hated that he irritated me, but he did especially when they were doing his death scene and I wanted the story to go back to Ianto and Jack.
I will write back to your emails, but I was very busy last weekend and then the past week or so, I've also been writing my CoE reaction/fix-it fic. I hope to have it done and posted within the next month...like all my stories, it's becoming longer than intended.
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Date: 2009-07-26 02:20 am (UTC)Yeah, I noticed a difference in him from the start of this episode. The Jack we know would never have agreed so completely when someone said the planet was doomed, but with the loss of Ianto, he just gave up. He perked up a little
when he realized that Alice, in spite of her deep distrust of him, still has, I guess you could say, faith that whatever threat to the Earth arises, he can always conquer it. Unfortunately, he has to do a terrible thing in order to eliminate this particular threat, and she's horrified, and will probably never speak to him again. Jack suspects that, and as a result, loses the one thing that has even a slight chance of convincing him to remain on Earth, even without Ianto at his side. That breaks him completely, possibly beyond repair. For me, that was absolutely the wrong way to make his character evolve. It wasn't an evolution at all, it just reverted him back to the man he was when the series started. The only change that occurred was he'll be ten times more dark and brooding.
Really? His habit of repeating certain words and "smelling out" the truth was pretty odd, but I still felt bad for him. Still, his death didn't make me sad, like say, Ianto's or Frobisher's did. It was actually a relief to me when Clem died, because his life, from 1965 on, was just miserable. Dying was a release from that.
Don't worry about it 8). I understand completely. :) I'm working on my own fix-it/denial one shots for COE, too, so I may be MIA for awhile as well. Catch you later, and good luck with the writing 8)!
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Date: 2009-07-25 04:53 pm (UTC)I also want some Nanogenes for Ianto.