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Every time I thought it couldn't get worse, it did. Now all of my life, except for Bill Nelson and Barack Obama, are controlled by Republicans. The only silver lining is that the Pro-Environment Amendment passed and everything was SUPER close so Florida has more progressives than they give us credit for, but...

Fuck.

Frodo : I can't do this, Sam.

Sam : I know.
It's all wrong
By rights we shouldn't even be here.
But we are.
It's like in the great stories Mr. Frodo.
The ones that really mattered.
Full of darkness and danger they were,
and sometimes you didn't want to know the end.
Because how could the end be happy.
How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad happened.
But in the end, it's only a passing thing, this shadow.
Even darkness must pass.
A new day will come.
And when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer.
Those were the stories that stayed with you.
That meant something.
Even if you were too small to understand why.
But I think, Mr. Frodo, I do understand.
I know now.
Folk in those stories had lots of chances of turning back only they didn’t.
Because they were holding on to something.

Frodo : What are we holding on to, Sam?

Sam : That there’s some good in this world, Mr. Frodo. And it’s worth fighting for.

Date: 2014-11-05 05:58 am (UTC)

Date: 2014-11-05 08:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jackdavfan692.livejournal.com
My thoughts exactly. *Nods* My home state of California seems to have preserved its status as a blue state, so thank God for that. On a national level, though, in terms of federal governance, e.g. Congress? We are now royally FUCKED.

WHY, OH WHY did our fellow Americans have to be so apathetic, fickle, and yes, STUPID? And why did our politicians decide it was better to distance themselves from the President and his low approval numbers, rather than trumpet the SUCCESSES that have resulted from his term so far? But then, political leaders only reflect the people who vote for them, so I suppose I shouldn't be surprised about the outcome of this election, and the fact that the American public has basically shot in itself in the foot with the decision it made today.

All I can hope for is this new Congress won't do too much major damage to the country before the 2016 election. *Sighs defeatedly*

Date: 2014-11-05 01:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dm12.livejournal.com
Excuse me, but calling people stupid (in all caps, yet) for voting how they did is really the heights of arrogance. (I'm just saying,) some people said that people were stupid for voting for Mr. Obama a second time despite no jobs, their situation being worse than it was before, his claim that he was successful because more people than ever were on food stamps, etc. He still has veto power, which I'm sure he will use for anything he doesn't deem fit, so I wouldn't worry too much.

As for being apathetic, the only ones who were truly apathetic were the ones who didn't vote. That is something to think about, who was it who didn't vote? Could that have made a difference? Probably so.

I'm not calling anyone anything, but in this country (for better or for worse), EVERY CITIZEN alive over the age of 18 has the right to vote (once per election). Those who exercised their right did so and have spoken.

All you and everyone can do is make sure you vote whenever you can, and hold your representatives accountable. Pull yourselves up by your bootstraps and do what you can.

Date: 2014-11-06 05:40 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] allisnow.livejournal.com
All this...

Date: 2014-11-06 06:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jackdavfan692.livejournal.com
I agree that everyone has the right to vote, no question. But IMO, the way so many Americans voted yesterday was absolutely the wrong thing for the future of the country. God knows what the Republicans & Tea Party nutcases have up their sleeves, and how much of that can actually be blocked by a presidential veto. I hate to say it, but I think we're headed for a very, very bad period in the country here.

That's who I mean--- all the people, presumably a number of whom are of the same, or similar, political stripe as me, that is, a progressive, somewhat left-leaning Democrat--- who didn't vote. It might not have made a big difference in the outcome of the election, true, but alternatively, it could very well have, we'll never know now.

Very true, but a certain number of people can only do so much. I fear that it won't be enough
to keep the country from going to hell in a handbasket for however long the Republicans maintain control of Congress. It's cynical and defeatist, maybe, but so much bad, has, IMO, happened over the last several years when that party has possessed a huge amount of power, that I can't help it :(. *Shrugs* Like I said in my original comment, I just hope they don't do too much serious damage to the country before the 2016 election comes around.

Date: 2014-11-06 05:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dm12.livejournal.com
There is a balance of power. Mr. Obama has that veto pen, and if things pass afterwards it will only be because Democrats support it as well, which is a good thing, and we need more of that. He can veto any bill that comes across his desk, and nothing becomes law without either his signature or it passes with a 2/3 approval from the Senate. So yes, he does have a lot of power. In addition, he can bypass Congress with his Executive Orders, which he has done.

As for the country going under, many feel we're already there. Your comment about the Republicans holding so much power until now is untrue; the Senate blocked everything the House did, so yes, a huge amount of damage was done because the Senate didn't even formally hear what the House passed, didn't discuss it, didn't offer a counter. We can go round and round with it, but I watched them directly as this continued to happen over and over, so this is not a case of "hearing about it," but seeing it directly. At least now, they might hear the bills passed by the House.

So you're saying that those who voted Republican shouldn't have. Well... sorry about that, but they have a right to their say as well, and enough people believe that this country was headed in the wrong direction and got out there and voted. We don't have an education requirement, and we don't require that you own land or have a job (ie, have "skin in the game" so you're voting your money and your goods rather than someone else's), we just require that you be alive and at least 18. It's the best we can do, and there is no better system at the moment. Starting in with other requirements will border on other types of government, but not fully representative.

Don't lose hope, don't stop voting. This country goes back and forth, and has endured so far. It will only continue to do so if people take an interest.

Date: 2014-11-07 02:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ericadawn16.livejournal.com
I just want to add that I also watch C-SPAN.

While you appear disgusted with the senate behaviour, I was disgusted by the House behaviour. Anyone who was a junior member and/or a member of the wrong party was shut down. Anything they wanted to say, anything they wanted to add or discuss...they were rebuffed and turned away. There was always an excuse to be made for it...procedures usually, but still, those who didn't align themselves fully 100% with those in charge of the House had no voice. It was disgusting and I posted on Facebook multiple times begging people to watch CSPAN with me to see what was going on.

I also never heard a workable alternative to Obamacare.

Date: 2014-11-07 03:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dm12.livejournal.com
I am glad to see others actually get the information first hand. It's the best way to see, and be able to make a measured judgement. To be sure, both houses had some pretty reprehensible behavior, and I haven't heard of any workable alternatives either, From what I'm hearing and reading, I'm hoping that they have other fish to fry before they start in on that (if they even do).

Just don't give up, keep on thinking. This country will endure.
Edited Date: 2014-11-07 03:15 am (UTC)

Date: 2014-11-07 02:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ericadawn16.livejournal.com
Keep in mind that the numbers for how many didn't vote include those who WANTED to vote but were thwarted in one way or another.

(hugs)

I'm going to have some more posts tonight with more thoughts but more importantly, there were successes and these really weren't reported enough.

Date: 2014-11-07 09:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jackdavfan692.livejournal.com
That was most likely a very big factor in the outcome, too, yeah. *Nods* Thank you very much, U.S. Supreme Court B[.

Thanks :). *Hugs you back*

Very true. *Nods* I don't know about other states, but as I said in my original comment, California stayed blue, as far as I know, so that's good.

Date: 2014-11-05 01:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] indiwise.livejournal.com
I love you for posting this! And yes, I feel the same way. THE HORROR.

Date: 2014-11-07 02:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ericadawn16.livejournal.com
I haven't looked up how many times I've posted this. I don't want to.

It's a traditional I started in November 2004 that when things don't go my way, I try to draw strength from Samwise's words.

It's only a passing shadow, we must believe that.

(hugs)

Date: 2014-11-05 01:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thespian15.livejournal.com
Man, I was really hoping you guys could defeat your govenor. :o
Hugs, Jon

Date: 2014-11-07 02:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ericadawn16.livejournal.com
Me, too.

(hugs back)

Fucking Scott Walker won as well and he's even worse.

Date: 2014-11-07 03:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thespian15.livejournal.com
And this supposedly makes Walker a candidate for President now. SERIOUSLY?????????????? OMg.........

Date: 2014-11-05 02:18 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rahirah
Yeah. I keep telling myself that this too will pass, but I hate to think what's going to happen before it does. :(

Date: 2014-11-07 03:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ericadawn16.livejournal.com
(hugs)

There was sunshine in the darkness. I'm going to post all I can later tonight.

Date: 2014-11-05 02:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dm12.livejournal.com
All I will say to all of you commenting here is that this is the system we have, it's about the best one can do. The only way to make it work is if everyone who is eligible (alive, at least 18, doesn't say whether or not you are educated, or work, just everyone) registers to vote and does so consistently. Sounds like you've all done that, just remember to keep thinking and not to give up.

As I said before, there is a balance here for now. Mr. Obama has that veto pen he can use, and I'm sure he will. Maybe he will try to work with Congress for the remainder of his term, but he has that veto in case he doesn't/can't.

One last thought... calling people who don't think like you "stupid" or "ignorant" or "fickle" is intolerance. I'm sure the lot of you said that about people who claimed that people were stupid for voting for Mr. Obama a second time. It goes both ways. They have their reasons, just as you do. And just remember that "fickle" might just lead some of them around to think like you the next time. There is always a next time, a next election. Be there, think things through carefully, and keep voting. Despondency and lack of action will get you nowhere fast.
Edited Date: 2014-11-05 02:48 pm (UTC)

Date: 2014-11-07 03:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ericadawn16.livejournal.com
Despondency and lack of action will get you nowhere fast.

Very true

Date: 2014-11-05 07:44 pm (UTC)

Date: 2014-11-06 12:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alphaflyer.livejournal.com
"Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time."
Winston Churchill

Date: 2014-11-06 03:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dragonacesg7.livejournal.com
yeah, that was pretty much my reaction

my step mom and my dad hate obama and think he's evil (no seriously) so I'm sure they're celebrating 'stopping' him, which means NOTHING gets done other than repeal the health care act that has helped millions of people...

sorry sorry, I try not to rant about polysci stuff

Date: 2014-11-06 04:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dm12.livejournal.com
Your parents should be respected, whether or not you agree with them. They have been around much longer than you have and have seen much more. I'm sure they have their reasons, just as you do. It's very easy to rant and rave, much more difficult to do actual living, like paying a mortgage, college for your kids, and all the other bills on a decreasing pay check (that is, if you can even get a job these days).

As for the Health Care Act helping millions of people, ask the 5 million or so who have been dumped from their plans or their doctors and now have to go tens of miles out of their way to get any healthcare. Ask those whose premiums have gone up along with their deductibles, yet their coverage has gone down. Ask those who had to switch medications because theirs was no longer being covered under the new plan. All that said, there are still some extremely good parts to the act, too. I hope they will deal with other very important issues first, and tread carefully with this one, if they even choose to do so. From what I read, this is not the first item on their agenda.

Oh, and don't worry too much. The President has his veto pen handy, I am sure, and the Senate is not veto-proof on party lines. Some good may come out of this if everyone means what they say about working together. The Congress knows the President can veto anything they send up, so maybe they will try harder to work together in bi-partisan fashion on areas of common interest. Or not... this is why we have a balance of powers.

Part of the message I think was sent is that the people want the bills passed in the House to at least be heard in the Senate. That wasn't happening, they were almost all tabled before being brought to the floor. Agree or disagree, at least they should be heard and discussed.

What we can do is hold our government accountable and keep voting, get everyone you know to vote. It might have made a difference if the supposed 2/3rds of the electorate that didn't vote got up and did. That is the only thing that is inexcusable. There are absentee ballots, and early voting is available in many places, so no one who is eligible should beg off.

Don't ever lose hope, don't stop thinking, and, for the sake of your country, don't stop voting!

Date: 2014-11-07 03:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ericadawn16.livejournal.com
Just as it running both ways that the Senate and House disrespect each other...it also runs both ways that opinions matter and can be respected.

Do I HAVE respect for my grandparents?

Obviously, I'm grateful that they put a roof over my mom's head, kept her clothed and kept her fed.

Do I respect my grandparents?

I find that very hard because they were bigots who mentally abused my mother for decades so that the invisible scars are still there.

My brother feels I need to appreciate my father still being alive but he's nothing to me. I told him how nice it was to see him accidentally at work and he didn't write me for ten months.

People are complicated and while, we can certainly respect that they have a right to that opinion, we don't HAVE to respect that opinion. This is why you're able to tell several of the commenters that their opinion is wrong but you are BOTH equally entitled to your opinion because this is the United States of America. Just having more years does not make one's opinion matter more because we all have different life experience. I've seen people from broken, shitty homes have a better grasp on how to survive on their own than people from perfect, two parent households.

As for the college part, my mom gave me a one time loan for $500 that I paid back the following semester and after that, she co-signed my loans...that's it. I paid for my college, not my parents. I hardly know a soul nowadays whose parents paid or helped to pay for college outside of the rich elites.

On one hand, I do feel sorry for the discomfort of those whose plans were changed under Obamacare BUT...

This is as far as it goes because I also know first-hand how it feels to go without health insurance for decades or the six months that I was on Medicaid where no one but the hospital wants to see you and you get kicked off for any reason they can think of. I have a friend who had to reapply for Medicaid EVERY SINGLE YEAR! She was confined to a wheelchair. It's not like her medical status was going to change.

To me, a person complaining about the discomforts of finding another doctor or what have you is like complaining to chicken farmer in Nigeria that they couldn't find the right kind of Nutella in their grocery store.

Of course, they are entitled to their opinion, but I don't have to pretend to agree with them about the supposed drastic nature.

I will admit that I've never been entirely happy with Obamacare but I wanted a national service like every other intelligent country has...my neighbor up the road broke her hip. It was going to cost $9,000 here but they called their health care in Canada so they flew her back home and had her hip replaced in 24 hours upon arrival. They didn't pay a dime. Meanwhile, I have co-workers who dream of owning their own home but can't because their credit is ruined forever. Why? Because they had the bad luck of getting cancer and not being able to pay for it.

I fear that you are right that they think they won because people want them to work together. Whereas I think they won because they promised a better economy and jobs and all of that BUT you can only have that if you're willing to spend money on our aging, decrepit, dangerous infrastructure that basically dates from the New Deal. I've seen no evidence that anyone wants to do this. Instead, they mention things like the Keystone Pipeline where foreign companies pay to ship dangerous oil through our country so that it can be shipped out to foreign lands and most of the jobs involved would be temporary construction work. This appears to be side by side with repealing Obamacare.

There a LOT of voters who were thwarted though because information was incorrect, absentee ballots had insane restrictions or early voting was too limited. This is something else we must work on for next time.

I have only forgotten to vote in one primary in 2002 and I felt so bad afterwards that I promised never to miss one again.

I do still feel bad about not being more involved this time, what if I had stopped putting off calling people for various groups? What if I had been more persistent in trying to reach a local Charlie Crist group?

Date: 2014-11-07 11:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] psyko-kittie.livejournal.com
I will admit that I've never been entirely happy with Obamacare but I wanted a national service like every other intelligent country has...my neighbor up the road broke her hip.

Speaking as a person who has lived under a national healthcare system, they are not intelligent. While I'm happy to hear that your neighbor was able to get her surgery so quickly, in a country like the UK (where I lived) that is usually not the case. Depending on the surgery needed, some people have to wait weeks for it to happen because of the referral process and the waiting lists once the surgery has been approved. And lets not get started on mental health, I had a friend, who waited 18 weeks on a waiting list before finally being able to get an appointment with a therapist.

Furthermore, the healthcare given is (imo) sub par to the care received in the United States, and it's mainly because the doctors will only run tests after they have exhausted everything that can be diagnosed by touch, sight, and in the rare cases smell. I'm not saying that tests are the end all the diagnosing a disease/disorder, but to allow a person to languish because the government won't pay for the service is not intelligent, imo.

Date: 2014-11-09 04:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ericadawn16.livejournal.com
other intelligent country

I called the country intelligent for trying to have a system in place so everyone is provided for somehow.

I understand what you're saying, I get Canadians that do complain about their services as well, BUT...

but to allow a person to languish because the government won't pay for the service is not intelligent, imo.

We are in agreement over this so let me give you some facts...

in 2010 alone, at least 26,100 people in the US died prematurely from not having health insurance.

At least 42 million people in the US STILL don't have health insurance right at this moment.

In 2010, 66 million were on Medicaid so you can only imagine how much that number has gone up...

Did you read past my Canadian anecdote? Did you read about my coworkers who will never have good credit? Who will always be burdened with medical debt because they had the misfortune of cancer and did not die? Did you read about my friend who wasn't considered disabled enough to qualify for a new wheelchair?

Let me add some more stories to that then...

I've had two coworkers who put off dental work for MONTHS! For months, they suffered with pain that ended up in root canals and teeth removal because they had to WAIT so they could get a promotion and have their insurance kick in because they never could have afforded it on their own.

Of course, there is Medicaid if you can somehow be eligible for it. We tried to get my mom on it but our savings account was too high...you see we do like to be prepared for that unexpected expense that comes along from time to time.

I was on Medicaid for six months. I had my choice of two doctors in town...my town actually has no less than probably 60 in all, there's a clinic just about everywhere because of all the elderly residents. I was kept in hospital for three days and given all sorts of tests which could never find out what was wrong with me. A few months later I moved into a college dorm for college. They found out my address had changed and I was kicked off Medicaid.

A couple of years later, when I had no insurance, I was given just a couple of tests, diagnosed promptly and kicked out within three hours...although this was a different hospital. They wanted me to get follow-up tests but since I was uninsured, this never happened. Luckily, I am not dead over it.

The life of an uninsured citizen is constant fear of anything requiring a hospital visit or doctor. You can't do anything where a limb might be broken because that could lead to bankruptcy. You ignore all signs of illness until you're on death's door or you self-medicate with everything the drug stores have to offer. if it's something minor, there are some clinics for less than $500 a visit but otherwise, almost everyone I know use the ER for everything that should be the responsibility of a regular physician or dentist, like toothaches, flu or irregular heartbeat.

You complain about people having to wait. To me, waiting is still better than NOTHING AT ALL! Even with Obamacare, most people were either placed onto Medicaid or still unable to be insured because we aren't eligible for Medicaid but we can't afford anything else.

You also complained about your friend having to wait to see a therapist. MENTAL HEALTH IS NOT COVERED UNDER HEALTH INSURANCE HERE! Maybe if someone has a gold premium plan or something, but my country seems to feel it's a luxury...you have noticed all those violent incidents of people who were mentally unwell, right? I remember my BFF did counseling through his company. His company allowed him to have THREE sessions and anything after that would be at his expense. They talk about people going off their Meds and how drug companies will help pay for them if you're poor enough but you still need a DOCTOR to prescribe them so if you can't afford a doctor, you're still stuck.

So yeah, my country's current healthcare system is basically...unless you have money, you should just die as quickly as possible.

Date: 2014-11-09 05:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] psyko-kittie.livejournal.com
I see what you're saying and I understand what you're saying. I'm an America, who is now back in America. Also I'm currently one of the many uninsured because I can't afford a $500 a month premium for a basic health plan that in turn will provide me with a $3000 deductible that I'll never meet because I'm generally not a sick person.

As for the dental, dental is not covered under the ACA and never will be, unless you can get an oral surgery coded as a major medical procedure which is rare.

Also mental health is covered, depends on the plan and insurance company. Otherwise, my inbalanced sister would not be able to afford her meds or her therapists, and she works retail.

Date: 2014-11-09 06:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ericadawn16.livejournal.com
I'm glad for sister, but outside of someone who's had it diagnosed as an actual disability, I don't know anyone who has it covered in their health insurance.

Then again, I also work retail and have almost given up on ever having health insurance again.

Date: 2014-11-07 05:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dragonacesg7.livejournal.com
My dad and step mother put things on their FB that compares Obama to Hitler (no I'm not kidding) I won't discuss it with them. It helps they live in another state.

Yes, the affordable care act isn't perfect, I just don't think attempting to sue the president (which is something I saw someone trying) isn't going to fix anything.

I have my own issues with ACA, especially since those without insurance must pay a penalty, since the act isn't doing what we were promised. Though my husband makes below the amount/year (I am unemployed do to health reasons) so we've never been hit with it and it's still cheaper to go without since then I get no-insurance discounts.

And I DID vote, I just feel that it didn't do me a lot of good. Too many people who want to restrict women's rights and victim blame rape victims are in positions of power in my life.

I'm not trying in anyway to say Obama is a saint, far, far from it, but the biggest thing I see is how he hasn't made any laws fixing X... and he can't MAKE the laws.

I'm not giving him a free pass but there are plenty of the people I run into who seem to not understand how the government works.

I just hate that money talks and that real issues aren't being solved. I'm sorry I want to do something about school shootings, not hear the country is going to hell because some states now allow same sex marriages.

Date: 2014-11-07 12:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dm12.livejournal.com
That certainly is not acceptable, I'll grant you that for sure. I saw that particular one during the big teacher union strike in Wisconsin and the recall election of Scott Walker. Those kinds of tactics are not nice, and they certainly didn't work in Wisconsin.

That is one of the cruxes of the ACA; it's cheaper to pay the penalty and not get insured, so where's the benefit in that?

I'm definitely not saying you didn't vote, just encouraging you to continue to do so, and don't give up. I know it's hard when you think you're not being heard, but if you (I mean in the general sense, everyone) stop voting, you will definitely not be heard.

In some states, absentee ballots don't need any reason. In others, I guess you have to file a particular reason (as if you know you're going to be sick on election day!).

It's true, many people don't know how government works. It's strange, because many people have to pass a "Constitution Test" to go on to high school. Believe me, it doesn't delve into the specifics, nor do we discuss what those words mean.

Absolutely, nothing gets done because the peripheral issues are what the government argues about, issues that really shouldn't even be a part of the discussion. Those are private matters, and it is not the government's place to legislate against them, nor does it serve our country.

Date: 2014-11-08 08:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dragonacesg7.livejournal.com
It is hard to not get discouraged with voting, and I appreciate the push to remember it does matter and does make a difference. I'm so damn pissed Scott Walker won again.

I really think a good chunk of voters vote for who they always have or buy into some of the hate being spewed. But that's probably me being cynical.

I had a FANTASTIC government course in High School that went into a lot of what things actually mean but most people I talk to know they have a right to free speech (which despite what they think doesn't actually entitle them to be harmful to others all the time) and the right to bare arms because heaven forbid we have less guns in this country.

I was stunned that when the assault rifle ban was about to elapse it got ONE mention on ONE news program 24 hours before it did and most of the coverage was of how the gun companies were gearing up to start production runs the moment it ran out.

Then again though, I feel I went to a great HS because I DID have a class that taught me, how to balance a check book, the difference between a charge card and a credit card, how to justify (check) my balance vs. my bank statement AND how to do my taxes.

Date: 2014-11-09 06:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ericadawn16.livejournal.com
I don't recall the taxes part but we did have a catch-all class called Life Management that taught about the check book and finances and things like that.

Date: 2014-11-09 06:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dm12.livejournal.com
That's why I encourage. It's not just a right, it's a responsibility and and obligation to do so. A good chunk of voters gave up and didn't vote. At least you know you gave it your best shot.

I'm glad you went to such a great HS; they used to teach all of that routinely way back when I was in school, but now I find myself teaching my own children these life skills that they wouldn't otherwise get.

Date: 2014-11-11 06:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ericadawn16.livejournal.com
I mentioned on my Facebook about schools teaching life skills...I also wish now that had included things like fixing things around the house and car. My mom and I just learned a couple of years ago how to re-set the fuses. We honestly thought all the electric would need a major repair because nothing worked.

However, when I mentioned this on my Facebook, I got jumped on by several Republican friends who said that wasn't the school's responsibility, it was the PARENTS responsibility. Obviously, my mom couldn't teach me what she didn't know herself, but whatever, I guess they don't see it that way.

Date: 2014-11-11 12:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dm12.livejournal.com
Guess I was lucky in that department. My father taught me how to handle basic repairs, sewing, embroidery, needlepoint and crochet, as well as basic cooking. If I don't know how to do a repair, I'll watch a repair person and ask tons of questions so the next time I can handle it myself. That said, I do know my limits.

Schools used to have a "vocational" track, but I don't know if they taught just basic repairs or focused on things like auto repair and other job related items. I think some states are beginning to recognize the lack in these skills, which is causing a lack in a skilled labor force, so they are working more closely with companies requiring these skills, since that's where many of these jobs are. They would teach basic skills in order to work up to the skills needed because apparently, that's where many jobs are. The ability to do calculus doesn't necessarily enable one to do these jobs.

Practical skills in all areas are important. If parents can teach them, that's great, but there's always more to be learned. Also, there's often too much emotional investment when parents try to teach their children. The children often learn better from an objective third party like a teacher because they aren't rebelling.

Date: 2014-11-13 02:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ericadawn16.livejournal.com
My high school did have a vocational track when I attended.

I learned sewing from a sort of Home Ec course in middle school.

I learned cooking for a "Nutrition and Wellness" course which was Home Ec in high school...although I feel cooking at restaurants for work taught me more, hehe.

I took "Principles of Construction" and loved it. I learned all the construction tools, but I never had room in my schedule after that.

I did seriously consider the Auto Shop class but several trusted teachers told me that the females were coddled and not actually taught anything in it so I didn't.

I never took Calculus, hehe. There is a movement to try and making Computer Coding satisfy one of the Math requirements which would be awesome.

Due to budget cuts, I'm not sure how much of the vocational track has survived. The state and federal governments had so much money tied to STEM classes. Plus, now, in order to hire less teachers, all the students are required to have a certain amount of classes online.

That's a very good point about the problems of parents teaching kids. I know I had a problem when I was first learning to drive because I couldn't stand my mom being in the care with me. It made me too nervous.

Date: 2014-11-13 03:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dm12.livejournal.com
I won't even say how long I lasted in the car when my first child started learning to drive, OK, so it was probably less than a second before I told him to pull over. With the second child, I wouldn't subject him to that, same will come with the third.

I took a Home Ec cooking & nutrition course. Because of kosher issues, I couldn't cook much of the stuff, and I certainly couldn't eat any of it.

I did take calculus (and differential equations, for the fun of it). As to how much of it I use today, well, none of it.

Date: 2014-11-09 06:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ericadawn16.livejournal.com
I never had a constitution test. We studied Florida history in 4th and 8th grades. Then, 12th grade was split between Government and Economics. However, since my class was doing the AP Government exam, we only covered about six weeks of actual economics AND it was taught by a true Libertarian.

Date: 2014-11-07 03:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ericadawn16.livejournal.com
Yep, gloating...gosh, I remember it from 2008 and 2012 and it felt so good!

I assume we'll be able to gloat again in 2016.

My mom and I were both surprised that the racist house with the lawn jockey and signs showing much they hate Obama had everything removed but the lawn jockey. We assumed they would have some sort of victory sign.

Obama says he'll refuse to sign a repeal and everyone tells me that there is no way they have enough votes to overturn a veto.

*fingers crossed*

I want you to always feel free to rant. I love politics.

Date: 2014-11-07 05:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dragonacesg7.livejournal.com
I'll say this right now, there is a LOT with current events I don't know/don't remember. I can only get so far into researching or reading the news before my depression overtakes me and I make a run for AMVs XD. So if I'm incorrect about something, please tell me :)

I'm too used to being judged by my family, it's why with them, I never talk religion or politics.

I just want SOMETHING to get DONE. Stop trying to make a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage AND FEED THE CHILDREN OF THIS COUNTRY.

I think that is what gets me the most angry. Some of the biggest stuff debated is on restricting rights for certain individuals when it should be taking care of the people you represent.

Date: 2014-11-09 06:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ericadawn16.livejournal.com
And the Republicans who cared about people no matter what party they were...they were run out of town.

bastards

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