Age 35

[ericadawn16]

A month or two ago, I mentioned to someone about a study where people tend to hate things after 35 which explained the anger towards the female Ghostbusters and such...

It turns out I remembered it all wrong. It wasn't a study. It was Douglas Adams. It's still true though, just put kickass females in place of technologies:

“I've come up with a set of rules that describe our reactions to technologies:
1. Anything that is in the world when you’re born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works.
2. Anything that's invented between when you’re fifteen and thirty-five is new and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it.
3. Anything invented after you're thirty-five is against the natural order of things.”

Comments

[allisnow.livejournal.com]

And it has nothing to do with whether or not it's an all-female cast.
Sometimes a bad movie is just a bad movie, and it's not some man's
attempt to "put us in our place."

'Zactly. Honestly, I have a hard time getting into a book/movie/show if there's not a kick-ass chick in there somewhere (and that doesn't mean she has to kick physical ass, although I enjoy that too). But a lot of the support for this remake seems as knee-jerk as the opposition to it. Some movies (books/shows) just suck.

(As a side note, I went to a work seminar that was primarily about bias against PoC and while a lot of it was a snooze I found it interesting that the speaker (black, male, university prof) was disdainful towards what he called 'dipping' characters, such as making the Torch black in the most recent Fantastic Four. He also attributed the failure of the movie on that decision. I think it failed just because (1) the last two were so bad and (2) this one looked awful as well.

I haven't watched either of the Marvel Netflix series, but they're on my list.

[ericadawn16.livejournal.com]

It's just weird when something is all men or written like they didn't really know what to do with the token female...

I admit it. I try to support stuff because it's either different and/or there's opposition to it based on bigotry. On one hand, Hollywood shouldn't support films that are awful or that they could have done better with but on the other hand, Hollywood likes any excuse to blame minority leads for poor box office instead of the real reasons.

He also attributed the failure of the movie on that decision.

I feel like anyone who says this didn't actually see the film. If it had actually been an awesome film otherwise, people would have still seen it but they did some plot points, editing and other character decisions that really ruined what could have been an interesting and new take on a 50+ year old story.

*I enjoyed both of the first FF films although Silver Surfer was not as good. All three films really benefited from awesome casts that were hobbled with horrible scripts and decisions.

I've never heard it called "dipping" before, that's interesting. I've thought there must have been an antonym to white-washing.

Did he add what he prefers? Some have argued for more stories where the original characters WERE different races instead of "dipping".

I've seen about five episodes of Daredevil and it's pretty good but R! It's not quite Daredevil R since there's less nudity and profanity but there's a lot of blood and gore at times. The last episode I watched had TWO different scenes of a character sewing themselves up after a fight...not a metaphor, literally doing needle and thread on their own skin.

It's okay once in a while but I really prefer PG-13/TV-14 with my viewing.

[allisnow.livejournal.com]

I admit it. I try to support stuff because it's either different and/or there's opposition to it based on bigotry.

I guess I'm the opposite. Social media outrage makes me want to back away slowly and go read a book ;)

Did he add what he prefers? Some have argued for more stories where the original characters WERE different races instead of "dipping".

That was the implication.

(Sometimes I come across the FF movies on TV and they literally embarrass me. Maybe I'm just spoiled by the Avengers movies.)

I'm perfectly okay with R... I'm a fan of GoT and Outlander, after all ;) I just have to be in the mood to start a new series.

[ericadawn16.livejournal.com]

My mom is one of those Baby Boomers who was never allowed to protest or reject authority in the '60s when they were supposed to so she came to it in late in life. As such, she's instilled a compulsion to act on injustice even if it's just something like boycotting a particular company. At this point, my friends can't even keep up with all the companies that I either boycott or try to avoid for various reasons.

Obviously, I don't want to blindly follow social media outrage. I'm going to try and find out the truth about it.

Thanks for clearing it up about the dipping. However, that implies that it's easy for Hollywood to make those tv series and films about POCs. It's not, because Hollywood thinks they don't make money unless it's Tyler Perry in drag or produced by Shonda Rimes although Lee Daniels is starting to get more power. Most of the source material they want to adapt because it's sold millions, has readers all over, etc...they're predominately white because publishing isn't that different from Hollywood. There isn't a lot of POC leads there either.

Now, currently Hollywood does have some films coming out with African-Americans as leads but...most are still about the Civil War or the Civil Rights era so that even my mom was like...why?

But I think things are going to get better. People are pooling their resources and using Crowd-Sourcing to fund projects that Hollywood wouldn't do. There are also a lot of people on Youtube and elsewhere making popular series that prove people want other Points of View.

I've seen all 3 FF films in the theatre. Obviously, it was Marvel but I wasn't like a HUGE fangirl back then. No, I wanted to see those first two films because of Ioan Gruffudd...HORATIO HORNBLOWER ON THE BIG SCREEN!!!
And he gets to have a love interest with Dark Angel!!! in horrible blonde hair but still!!!
A few years ago, I bought the first film for my nephews to watch so they would appreciate how comic book films are done now and see YOUNG CHRIS EVANS!!!
I will still watch FF on television and will probably do the same with the third one depending on where in the film they are at. If you want to see cheesy, you should see the really old Marvel stuff we had as tots with like the tv movie The Incredible Hulk Returns when I was 5 and a half. These kids have it easy now.

Hmm, that could be part of the reason I never got into those. Sometimes, I'll watch an episode of Outlander because I came past it but Game of Thrones...I've never managed a full episode. They always do something to upset me. Last time, I didn't even make it through the "Last season on Game of Thrones" montage.

[allisnow.livejournal.com]

My parents were one of the later boomers too (born in '58) but I've never noticed that particular inclination in either of them. Go figure :)

Hollywood loves to pat itself on the back about how progressive and liberal it is, and it's also pretty consistently accused of being unfair to PoC, which has always struck me as amusing. I think it comes down to what we were discussing earlier... not every movie with a PoC lead that bombs does so because that's not what audiences want to see. Sometimes a bad movie is just a bad movie. Movies are more and more expensive these days and studios want to go with a sure thing, and what makes a movie a sure thing seems to have a lot more to do with franchise or the studio's reputation (SW, Marvel, Hunger Games, Pixar). But hey, I can't remember the last movie I actually went to a theater to see.

GoT has made me wince on more than one occasion but, especially in the early seasons, I was ready for it having read the books. Must have something to do with growing up watching X-Files, Profiler, etc ;)

[ericadawn16.livejournal.com]

No, my mom was born in '47 but her parents were THAT conservative that she was brainwashed into thinking everything was great and the hippies were wrong and stupid.

Yep...oh, I go fairly often. Last Monday, my mom and I went to The Free State of Jones...SO GOOD.

Must have something to do with growing up watching X-Files, Profiler, etc ;)

No, no it wasn't because I also watched The X-Files, Profiler, all the various NBC/CBS/whatever crime shows, Buffy, Angel, Prime Suspect, A Touch of Frost, I really loved Touching Evil, my oldest brother would insist on watching Tales from the Crypt and the other brother loved the Nightmare on Elm Street series Fox had for a while...it gave me nightmares but I'd lie and say it didn't. Then, in college, they started Nip/Tuck and I watched all of those.