Awww..., how come Val Kilmer and Michael Keaton are so low in your list? Those two guys were the original cinematic Batmen! They should be in at least second or third place (doesn't matter which order) after Christian Bale.
You know how everyone has "their" Doctor? How you never forget your first Doctor?
I think Batman might be a similar thing.
I can remember life before Val Kilmer and Michael Keaton. I remember when my brothers went and saw Batman, then came home to tell us how "packed" there was, how there was A LINE! It was simply unheard of for our Duoplex.
Before Michael Keaton, I spent afternoons with my brothers watching Adam West as Batman, including the very first full-length Batman film released in the movie theatres in 1966, Batman: The Movie!
So, I recognize Michael Keaton did a good job but...I prefer Adam West. Val Kilmer...I used to love Batman Forever, now I can't even watch it all the way through. He's just...not right, can't quite describe it.
Ben Affleck made a really awesome Batman. There was some cringe-worthy dialogue but I felt they had a really well-rounded Batman/Bruce. For one thing, he cared and he was allowed to care, not just for whichever love interest was that film but his employees, his employees' families, Gotham as being more an abstract idea but actual people. He was allowed to be smart; deductions/technology, etc. more so than Bale's Batman. He also wasn't afraid to get dirty which would be one complaint about Bale's Batman is that he spent time among criminals to gain knowledge at first and then kind of...stopped whereas Affleck's Batman will do anything needed, including attending an underground, illegal boxing fight.
Some of my favorite Batman issues are when they make Batman into a sort of James Bond with even better technology and strength. There was one where in order to gain information, he went to Las Vegas and gambled. Yeah, I prefer my Batman where Batman and Bruce are the same alternating between identities for whichever is better for that situation.
David Mazouz is just fabulous especially for having the hardest Batman role of all...how does Bruce grow up to be Batman? He struggles between having his anger over his parents' death consume him and trying to be the bigger person that Alfred wants as well as his parents would have wanted. Plus, he's a teenager so almost no one wants to take him seriously. He's the only character not to kill anyone yet, even teenaged Catwoman has killed on-screen already.
Ah, that makes sense (though in my case, in terms of DW, I think after Capaldi leaves the show, he and Matt/Eleven will be tied at the top of my list of fave Doctors, and Tennant/Ten will drop to second place, even though he was "my" Doctor) 8]. *Nods* I've actually never seen the original Batman series, but I can see why Adam West would be higher up in your list. I presume David Mazouz is the young actor who plays Bruce in Gotham? I watched an episode or two of that, but haven't kept up with it at all.
I haven't yet seen Batman vs. Superman (but I'd like to), so I can't really judge Ben Affleck's performance yet. Sounds like he does a good job with the role, though, and is served well by the writing of it 8]. *Nods* I haven't seen The Lego Movie either.
Regarding Val Kilmer. Huh, interesting. I see Michael Keaton as the broody, kind of distant, somewhat tragic Batman, and Kilmer as the sexy, mysterious one. Christian Bale's is sort of a combination of the two (with a generous bit of darkness thrown in for good measure). As for George Clooney's, it's hard to describe, because so much of Batman And Robin was just... not very good. Clooney (and Chris O'Donnell) did his best with what he was given, but between Arnie's Mr. Freeze, O'Donnell's Robin being killed off, and the, er, nipples on Clooney's Batsuit *facepalm*, to name just a few things, there was a lot wrong with the writing & design of that film.
Yes, Mazouz plays Bruce in Gotham. I missed it this week but I usually watch every new episode when it airs...I think this week I haven't tried to watch it online because the week before was so brutal but I still want to know what happens. I'm kind of in shock that the Penguin has become such a sympathetic character but I enjoy Bruce, Selina and Alfred the most.
I'm glad I saw Batman vs. Superman but I think Bruce will be better served by a stand-alone film. There were some great things in the film but they were kind of ruined by shoddy editing, cringe-worthy one-liners and plot-holes that never should have been allowed to be filmed.
However, yes, Batman was awesome. Fair warning though, he suffers from PTSD and they make you experience it with him.
As a whole, I wasn't that impressed by The Lego Movie like everyone else. It's my youngest nephew's favorite film but I did like how this Batman poked fun at himself and seemed more like a modern Adam West Batman where it's more about fun than darkness.
Batman and Robin had so much potential...Batgirl, more insight into Alfred's character, getting more into Batman as a family man...but the script, the direction, etc. just ruined it.
Clooney wasn't even directed well. This was still early enough in his career that he wasn't good at directing himself yet and most of the time, Batman came off as Doug Ross playing Batman rather than George Clooney.
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Date: 2016-04-07 02:23 pm (UTC)I don't know David, Kevin, or Will.
Hugs, Jon
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Date: 2016-04-08 03:12 am (UTC)Kevin Conroy
Will Arnett
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Date: 2016-04-08 06:07 am (UTC)Whoa, who was the bad guy in that one? :o
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Date: 2016-04-07 03:42 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2016-04-08 03:13 am (UTC)I used to...before Christian Bale, lol.
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Date: 2016-04-08 03:36 am (UTC)I think Batman might be a similar thing.
I can remember life before Val Kilmer and Michael Keaton. I remember when my brothers went and saw Batman, then came home to tell us how "packed" there was, how there was A LINE! It was simply unheard of for our Duoplex.
Before Michael Keaton, I spent afternoons with my brothers watching Adam West as Batman, including the very first full-length Batman film released in the movie theatres in 1966, Batman: The Movie!
So, I recognize Michael Keaton did a good job but...I prefer Adam West. Val Kilmer...I used to love Batman Forever, now I can't even watch it all the way through. He's just...not right, can't quite describe it.
Ben Affleck made a really awesome Batman. There was some cringe-worthy dialogue but I felt they had a really well-rounded Batman/Bruce. For one thing, he cared and he was allowed to care, not just for whichever love interest was that film but his employees, his employees' families, Gotham as being more an abstract idea but actual people. He was allowed to be smart; deductions/technology, etc. more so than Bale's Batman. He also wasn't afraid to get dirty which would be one complaint about Bale's Batman is that he spent time among criminals to gain knowledge at first and then kind of...stopped whereas Affleck's Batman will do anything needed, including attending an underground, illegal boxing fight.
Some of my favorite Batman issues are when they make Batman into a sort of James Bond with even better technology and strength. There was one where in order to gain information, he went to Las Vegas and gambled. Yeah, I prefer my Batman where Batman and Bruce are the same alternating between identities for whichever is better for that situation.
David Mazouz is just fabulous especially for having the hardest Batman role of all...how does Bruce grow up to be Batman? He struggles between having his anger over his parents' death consume him and trying to be the bigger person that Alfred wants as well as his parents would have wanted. Plus, he's a teenager so almost no one wants to take him seriously. He's the only character not to kill anyone yet, even teenaged Catwoman has killed on-screen already.
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Date: 2016-04-08 08:10 am (UTC)I haven't yet seen Batman vs. Superman (but I'd like to), so I can't really judge Ben Affleck's performance yet. Sounds like he does a good job with the role, though, and is served well by the writing of it 8]. *Nods* I haven't seen The Lego Movie either.
Regarding Val Kilmer. Huh, interesting. I see Michael Keaton as the broody, kind of distant, somewhat tragic Batman, and Kilmer as the sexy, mysterious one. Christian Bale's is sort of a combination of the two (with a generous bit of darkness thrown in for good measure). As for George Clooney's, it's hard to describe, because so much of Batman And Robin was just... not very good. Clooney (and Chris O'Donnell) did his best with what he was given, but between Arnie's Mr. Freeze, O'Donnell's Robin being killed off, and the, er, nipples on Clooney's Batsuit
*facepalm*, to name just a few things, there was a lot wrong with the writing & design of that film.
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Date: 2016-04-08 11:00 pm (UTC)I'm glad I saw Batman vs. Superman but I think Bruce will be better served by a stand-alone film. There were some great things in the film but they were kind of ruined by shoddy editing, cringe-worthy one-liners and plot-holes that never should have been allowed to be filmed.
However, yes, Batman was awesome. Fair warning though, he suffers from PTSD and they make you experience it with him.
As a whole, I wasn't that impressed by The Lego Movie like everyone else. It's my youngest nephew's favorite film but I did like how this Batman poked fun at himself and seemed more like a modern Adam West Batman where it's more about fun than darkness.
Batman and Robin had so much potential...Batgirl, more insight into Alfred's character, getting more into Batman as a family man...but the script, the direction, etc. just ruined it.
Clooney wasn't even directed well. This was still early enough in his career that he wasn't good at directing himself yet and most of the time, Batman came off as Doug Ross playing Batman rather than George Clooney.