Bloodlines

[ericadawn16]

Bloodlines by Claudia Gray came out today. I haven't read it yet but...

It's Leia Organa before the Resistance came into being. It also has Korr Sella...which is a good thing considering she was cut out of Star Wars: The Force Awakens except for her DEATH!

It's supposed to be about 6 years before Star Wars: The Force Awakens and some stuff is nice like getting into Leia's head and having the nice stuff between her and Han.

The idea seems to be that she surrounds herself with young people (her staff tend to skew young) and mothers and supports them in the absence of her own son.

http://starwarsnonsense.tumblr.com/post/143756405729/bloodline-preliminary-thoughts

I've been saying this between her and Poe for over four months now so it's nice to see further evidence.

Okay, that's the good stuff but Ben is 23 and not Kylo Ren yet. He's also 23 and doesn't know his grandfather is Darth Vader.

REALLY?

But Han is written in both novelizations as thinking how he hadn't seen his son as an adult. Unless we're using the Hobbit definition, 23 is an adult.

thefordcastpodcast:
Reason the novel says Han hasn’t seen Kylo since he was young is the script changed after it was sent to the writer. Pablo Hildago said to take them w/ a grain of salt - the movies are canon. Since BL has direct input from Rian about story we assume it is a far better reflection of canon for 8/9 going forward. Hope that helps. JJ said Rian asked him to change a few things & reflect his story - JJ said yes to a few. Maybe a change was made so Adam could play flashbacks. Filmmaking is a process :)

So, what they're saying is that in their race to get out merchandise...the authors haven't even read the final scripts! The directors are free to change canon from film to film and universal canon means about as much as it does in Doctor Who?



Because if the books don't actually mean anything compared to the films, they're asking us to pay up to $28.00 for fanfiction.

This also pisses me off because of Kes Dameron and Shara Bey. They are two of my favorite characters BUT they ONLY exist in books and if books don't matter like the films, do they exist at all?

And why should I read 352 pages of people being mean to Leia while she tries to go on by remembering when times were better? I don't want sad Leia. I want Leia being awesome.

I might still read Bloodlines but if I do, it'll be from the library.

P.S. May the Fourth be with you!

lol

Comments

[lycoris.livejournal.com]

Yeah, that doesn't surprise me very much, sadly. :( The Star Wars Extended Universe always had problems a bit like this right from the start so now they're starting a new one, I'm not really shocked that it's back in the same the way. Bit of a shame though.

[ericadawn16.livejournal.com]

Well, there was the '80s kids series, the '70s Marvel series and the EU that contradicted each other but within the actual EU I don't remember contradictions this bad.

[celeste9]

:(

Oh man, it makes me super sad that the canon is mixed up already. I get that sometimes things change but it just stinks that the movie came out not even six months ago and the books already contradict each other.

And I find it really hard to believe that Ben was TWENTY-THREE and didn't know Darth Vader was his grandfather? There's keeping secrets and then there's keeping secrets. Geez. Also I thought Snoke was supposed to have been grooming him or something? Is that no longer the case now too? Or is everything just supposed to have happened very quickly and, IMO, fairly unbelievably? It doesn't make sense for someone with loving parents and a fairly normal childhood to turn into Kylo Ren practically overnight.

I was hoping this would help me with timelines for some fic I'd been working on but...

And yes, if the canon is apparently so wishy-washy now, please can we have Poe at least off-hand mention his parents in a movie so I can be reassured Kes and Shara exist??

[ericadawn16.livejournal.com]

Ugh, YES!!!!

I know, I just don't understand that. Luke and Leia both looked into Anakin and Padme's past which would have meant trails.

Plus, Anakin told Luke to tell Leia all about how he was right so Luke actually isn't telling multiple people how Darth Vader actually saved him from the Emperor?

Lastly, the FORCE!!!
I know books apparently aren't canon anymore but Rucka's Shattered Empire had Leia getting flashes from both her mom and dad on Naboo through the Force.

As for the Snoke thing, well, someone's already found a way to both insult us and work it back int canon:
http://ericadawn16.tumblr.com/post/143852496133/i-figure-if-anyone-knows-or-knows-someone-who

(you don't have to click on the part for Read More, just what's on the first page.

I understand what that person is saying but I really hate how much it puts blame on all three of them while also making it as though Ben went over the edge because of the whole Darth Vader thing.

Luke didn't freak out and kill people and he was Darth Vader's son, dammit.

Are we supposed to not like Ben at all? I assumed they'd want him at least a little sympathetic just from a story standpoint.

The actual film cut out the dialogue where Snoke had been grooming him since she was pregnant, right? If they decided that Snoke turned him later, it would make sense why they deleted it.

I agree about 6 years being pretty unbelievable for everything to be accomplished. In the prequels, it took at least 14 years for Palpatine's plans to come to fruition.

Yeah...I had been hoping for an official age for Ben and I guess I have it now...along with confirmation that he was an OOPS baby.

A mention would be great but to fully be part of the universe, I want Shara Bey and/or Kes Dameron on Star Wars Rebels!!!!

[celeste9]

Yeah, I just can't imagine Luke not wanting to spread the word that in the end, Anakin did the right thing. Plus Luke doesn't strike me as the kind of person who would be okay with taking credit for something he didn't do, I think he would be deeply uncomfortable with people thinking that he killed Palpatine himself.

Okay, the Tumblr post... I mean, yeah, okay, that's fine, I can see the point they're trying to make, but I'm offended by the assumption that I must be one of the Kylo Ren apologists? Because fuck no, I think regardless of Snoke, Kylo Ren made his own choices and he takes all the responsibility for that. Same as Anakin- Palpatine may have led him to believe things that weren't precisely true, but that doesn't absolve him of what he did. Neither of them were "brainwashed", that is entirely the wrong word. Bucky Barnes was brainwashed. Anakin and Ben were manipulated, but they chose to go down the path they did.

And yes, I find it incredibly hard to believe that finding out about Darth Vader would be enough to turn Ben. That's frankly ridiculous.

Also, Ben would have needed to be turned in some nebulous period of time that's even SHORTER than six years, because we don't even know how long before the movie he had been Kylo Ren. He certainly seems well-entrenched within the First Order.

[ericadawn16.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I told you they managed to insult us at the same time. I'm not one of those Reylo shippers who thinks he just needs the right woman or hug or whatever.

Yes, Bucky was brainwashed! Everyone else had other choices...and even Bucky still blamed himself and wanted to be punished for it!!!

I agree, I really hate that they seem to be making the Darth Vader thing into the tipping point.

The really ridiculous thing is that Pablo Hidalgo...who's the one who originally said Kylo was 29 before Bloodlines came out...said that Bloodlines is NOT 6 years prior but even LESS??? Like what the fuck?
None of this makes sense.

(http://s69.photobucket.com/user/Ericadawn16/media/Part%20Two/how%20the%20force%20works_zps4nxqapey.jpg.html)

[orangerful.livejournal.com]

My favorite star wars blog, Club Jade, really enjoyed the book. I'm avoiding spoilers because I want to read it so I'll post about it once my copy comes in from the library.

But I don't put much stock in books and other spin-offs. I was never into the Expanded Universe and they publish the books so quickly, I could never keep up so I only consider the movies canon, the books are just a fun addition (and if I like them, they become my canon and if not...meh.)

[ericadawn16.livejournal.com]

I read that review. It didn't win me over. Part of the problem could be that I actually enjoy politics. I liked that West Wing aspect of the prequels and that review and others make it seem like the little details that really matter aren't there...like getting definitions wrong, who is Leia representing, etc.

I was a HUGE EU person. In March 1997, I started reading EVERYTHING and I did until October 2001.

My brother has this attitude that anything not on-screen doesn't count and I HATE that. I think it's because nothing else in life works that way. When I talk to any other group of scholars, they're always talking about new studies/theories/books and all of it is valid.

I also fell in love with Shara Bey and Kes Dameron so hard from Greg Rucka that as I said in the main entry...it feels heartbreaking that they aren't real, that Disney has made the books into fanfiction that we pay money for instead of actually getting to learn more about the characters.

I think I'm also upset because 90% of everything I feel I know about Rey, Poe and Finn is from Before the Awakening. The movie gave us almost nothing.

[orangerful.livejournal.com]

Is Kes Dameron related to Poe? i thought the only thing Disney cancelled out were books written prior to their acquisition of Lucasfilm that covered the time period that the new films cover?

[ericadawn16.livejournal.com]

Kes Dameron married Shara Bey and they had Poe Dameron.

Disney canceled ALL canon not seen in the theatrical films (which includes Clone Wars and Ewoks) or Star Wars: The Clone War television series.

However, the new books have inconsistencies and Lucasfilm said that the films have canon priority so what the films and tv shows say goes which makes the books...sort of canon?

But I did get Lucasfilm to admit that in the case of previously published books within the last two years, future filmmakers do have to "take those into account" when making new films.

It's weird and confusing and makes me not want to read any new Star Wars books.

I will probably renege on this but that's how I feel right now.

[thespian15.livejournal.com]

$28.00? :o
Disney is going to beat the Star Wars franchise to death. lol...
Disneystore.com has a Star Wars sale for today, May 4th.
It's got 6 pages of items. lol........
Hugs, Jon

[ericadawn16.livejournal.com]

My reading comprehension just now was basically...

6 PAGES OF STAR WARS STUFF ON SALE

which it wasn't but those 7 dollar Infinity figures are so tempting...

[thespian15.livejournal.com]

You should have jumped on them. lol...

[ericadawn16.livejournal.com]

Yeah...although Game Stop charges about that much for used figures and then they're already out of the box so I can play with them without guilt.

[thespian15.livejournal.com]

Ahh, shopping guilt, gotta love it. :p

[ragnarok-08.livejournal.com]

28.00 - really? Yipes X_X;

[ericadawn16.livejournal.com]

Yeah, 20 bucks is about my limit.

[dancingdragon3.livejournal.com]

I agree with all of this, especially wanting a story where Leia is the awesome heroine we fell in love with.

I saw the tweets above, and I'm glad they've cleared that up at least, Poe's parents. But isn't the point of supplemental material to enhance the movie? So shouldn't you then have to have the books reflected in the movie, mentioned, etc? I just do not understand what the producers or whoever are trying to do here. And I get the feeling that they aren't sure either, which considering the importance of the franchise, and how long they've had to do all this, is troubling.

[ericadawn16.livejournal.com]

And I agree with all of your paragraph.

(sighs)

I remember when the de-canonization first happened, I described it as Marvel constantly Retconning their characters and their pasts.

Damn, karma can be nasty. Now I really hate some of the changes that Marvel has made and the fact that the Star Wars stuff is becoming even more like Marvel and its inconstancies than I envisioned is pissing me off.